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do u think there is a problem with phase or frequ. when im using 2 pairs of monitors at one time?
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illicit
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 12:57
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@ Spycht:  hehehehe..... this choise is easy:) sorry! |
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MadScientist
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 17:02
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mat, thats not a good point...sure there is the possibility, but the chance to get a better sound just with 4 different monitors is so much smaller than the oposite, and then calculate also your room to that and you got a chance like 1:10000 
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lease explain WHY would you want to run 4 monitors at the same time and how would you like to setup them? (i.e. stereo setup or kind of mini-surround setup)
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and please dont ignore that question, or do you want to do this just for fun?
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Seppa
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Posted : Oct 13, 2007 12:58
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From the pics you got on your myspace They look to me like bm6a....
Anyway I've never tried,Its not a common practice, there is got to be a good reason for that. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 13, 2007 13:09
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I think in the end that if your final mixes are good then there's no reason why you shouldn't use whatever you find works for you, whether that's a single pair of PMCs or a seventeen-box Frankenstein system cobbled together out of what you find in the rubbish dump.
I'd recommend doing a few listening tests to make sure you really know what your speakers are telling you before you let yourself be really confident in your system though: take your best mix and listen to it on as many other systems as you can, especially studio monitoring systems, and compare it with released mixes with really good production; dynamics aside, that's what you're aiming for - a smooth frequency response with good definition, no 'holes' in the sound or nasty frequencies sticking out, and a deep, punchy and well-controlled bass with no boominess in the subs or mud in the low mids... Make notes on any differences you hear and use them to do another version of your track then go back to all the other systems and compare it again with the released tracks. Be brutally honest with yourself.
Because your setup is in 4 boxes rather than just two cabinets, the relative placement of the speakers is crucial. Before you start the comparison process it might be a good idea (if you have't already done this) to make sure that the sound in your room is subjectively as good and as accurate as you can; I don't know for sure but I imagine that moving one speaker even an inch would have an effect on the combined sound at the mix position, especially at high frequencies. Once you've found the best place for all the speakers mark it off with tape and make sure they don't move.
Still, I wouldn't recommend it. Having two separate systems and using them in an A/B manner will give you a better chance of producing mixes that translate well to other systems than only having one big system will, no matter how good it sounds. The more different perspectives you can have on your production whilst you're still in the studio the better, although having said that, for myself I would feel that even if I still used them independantly, listening to them combined as well would only confuse me as far as analytical listening was concerned; your mileage may vary. Again, be honest with youself and don't mistake an impressive sound for an accurate one.
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illicit
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Posted : Oct 15, 2007 11:16
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Hi OOOD! LOL...nice explaination! thx for that! i really appreciat all that!
Im really honest with myself! i think most ppl got my question a bit wrong. my setup in the studio is quiet good, the acustics of the studioroom is very good too! take a look there.....
http://homerecording.de/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=89246&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&type=&mode=0&start=0
my question was for getting all the posetiv and all the negativ possible properties if using both! but no one could tell me something new, something i did not consider!
i keep up with the A-B setup and think about it in 2 years again! maybee i can weight out better than! Thanks all and good luck! |
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MadScientist
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Posted : Oct 15, 2007 19:47
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you still ignore my question man 
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MadScientist
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Posted : Oct 15, 2007 20:33
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ok after reading the thread on homerecording I dont expect an answer to my question anymore 
if you dont get it and dont answer this same question after 4 pages there and 2 here, this is going nowhere and I'm off from this topic untill you gave a serious answer to the question...here it is again:
please explain WHY would you want to run 4 monitors at the same time and how would you like to setup them? (i.e. stereo setup or kind of mini-surround setup)
https://soundcloud.com/hazak
"Have you ever had that feeling where you're not sure if you're awake or still dreaming?"
"Hmm, yeah... All the time, man - it's called mescaline. The only way to fly!" |
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illicit
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Posted : Oct 16, 2007 08:17
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@madscientist: sorry....i didnt see it!
why? i dont want to use them the same time....i was thinking about doing it. but before i just was curios about your opinion, what will be the posetiv and negativ effects IF using both.
SORRY AGAIN!
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MadScientist
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Posted : Oct 16, 2007 11:06
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np mate
but next time please consider to tell that also...to get a proper answer its important to tell what you want to archive with it and how you would like to setup them
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illicit
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Posted : Oct 16, 2007 13:25
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and its a simple stereo setup:) |
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Psytracked
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 11:47
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Having looked at you studio set up pics. I have some practical advice for you to experiment with.
Generally it is accepted in the engineering world that when monitors are placed on there sides the tweeters go on the outside (better stereo imaging). I would suggest you find some good reference recordings and experiment. Personally I would have the speakers upright. The tweeter would in your situation, unless you are very short, be more likely to be at ear level which is favorable if you want to take advantage of the sweet spot to which the speakers would be designed for. Off axis listening, either horizontal or vertical can impair the high frequency response. This will of course vary from manufacturer to manufacturer. Let your own ears be the judge though. Just make sure you use a good reference disk as after all everything is relative.
There is an argument for not having the speakers next to each other in the first place, even if you only have one switched on at a time. All bass/mid drivers have a natural resonant frequency which is calculated into the design of the cabinet. This resonance can be stimulated in the inactive speaker by the active speaker when that frequency is produced through the program material. This potentially can have an effect on the spectral balance of your monitoring. This is a similar principle to axial mode problems found in room acoustics.
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Adharaguy
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 15:29
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hello there.... i thing the best way is use only one pair of monitores, during the production....use the best and the most flatest monitores u have.....one thing....this monitores is the samme type(nearfield...midllefield...farfield...)....
And if the monitores u have are for example one nearfield and another middle or farfield, u use the nearfield to production because u can put them more close to you avoiding the reverbation of your studio, and use the other only for lisen the post-production to correct somme problems you have in the mix......Normally in every studios have more than 1 monitores, and i dont thing that profissional only have more than 1 monitores just to have it...... |
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Psytracked
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 18:02
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Oh why are monitors so misunderstood on forums.
In a professional studio the main monitors are generally preferred for tracking. These are generally large expensive accurate speakers which are built into the wall. The recording engineer will, hopefully, hear any problems with the recording/take/mic position before the band have fucked off. Mixing is a separate process. Nearfields are preferred for this. Classic example is the Yamaha NS10. However these are mounted on the meterbridge which gives a much different spectral balance than near a wall in a home studio. The NS10 are not a hi resolution speaker. period. and that is actually why engineers favored them for mixing. It was about how it was going to sound on a radio or domestic HIFI. On the meter bridge the NS10 has a much less bass. Some engineers used to put a bit of toilet roll around the tweeter. Why? they were interesting in the upper bass to lower treble. If you got the mix sounding good in this spectrum then the mix would travel well. our ears are also more sensitive in this range. The extremes would be checked on the main monitors.
Mastering was done in a different facility with different speakers again.
The home studio can't really approach it the same way. A slightly different approach is necessary.
Sound design/composition
Mixing
Mastering
I use Mackie HR824's for sound design/composition and headphones for recording and checking noise levels.
For mixing I use the Mackies currently but they are too polite. When budget comes available I will get some Dynaudio BM6 powered of My chameleon power amp. I use these at college for mixing. They make you work harder to get things sounding good. This translates to mix that "travels" well.
I don't master but would switch back to the mackies for this and then check on the BM6's when I get them.
This is all personal preference.
The fundamental thing to bare in mind is that each stage of the production process requires different things from the speakers.
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illicit
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Posted : Oct 22, 2007 16:16
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thx for ur statements!!! very appreciated! |
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Upavas
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Posted : Oct 24, 2007 21:49
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I wouldn't play the 2 different pairs together, however it is not a bad idea to alternate between the 2 just to get 2 different references for your mix, I would however mix with the better pair, just use the other pair from time to tiome so you get a different reference...
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