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Do Devil Worshipping belong in this scene?
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Erevos
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 17:51
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On 2005-07-27 17:27, HandA wrote:
be prepared to be flamed by the many cool followers of devil symbols in this forum.
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You have a really huge imagination |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 18:51
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On 2005-07-27 17:04, goodangel wrote:
Hello there,
I have a question that probably some of you will think its idiotical question but i will ask it anyway...
especialy in the last period of time trance partys decorated with alot of monsters scultures and paintings ,and demons and some kinds of indian "gods".
i am in the trance business for many years and i remember that at first the decorations was about colors and good atmosphere..in personal i dont find it amusing to go parting and look at monsters or devilish atmosphere all around me..i am missing the good feeling..everything look too much drugy and scary...some of the audiance evev looks like zombi themself and its look like party in hell(in most of the cases latly)
do you realy find it amuse to go in get radical confuse in partys under the effect of...because i don't ..
so my idea for good party and vibes is:
why not leave all the "gods" and the monsters and the demons and the scarry stuff outside the party and make a comeback to colorfull and intelegent decoration for a good health fun vibe?
it even fits better to a nature view and better effect on whatever u do or take..
sooooo
WHAT DO YOU THINK ?
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Did you at all read the previous 18 pages before posting?
You should if you really like an answer to your questions, because they are answered time and time again on page after page.
There is trance parties where they apperently only play light music and eat e's for example in Ibiza.
In my experience though good parties feature dark music in the night and happier music in the morning.
Obviously many artists and crowds feel the same, and hence the scene contains those darker elements. Like I said, just read thru the thread a bit if you cannot grasp why.
And maybe read for example some classic books about psychedelica like Aldous Huxley "Doors Of Perception, Heaven and Hell", or watch Pink Floyd, "The Wall".
The psychadelic experience is about exploring all sides of reality, unlike what happens when you take e or coke where you only experience reality from one angle.
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goodangel
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 21:18
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On 2005-07-27 18:51 Spindrift wrote:
"Did you at all read the previous 18 pages before posting?
You should if you really like an answer to your questions, because they are answered time and time again on page after page.
There is trance parties where they apperently only play light music and eat e's for example in Ibiza.
In my experience though good parties feature dark music in the night and happier music in the morning.
Obviously many artists and crowds feel the same, and hence the scene contains those darker elements. Like I said, just read thru the thread a bit if you cannot grasp why.
And maybe read for example some classic books about psychedelica like Aldous Huxley "Doors Of Perception, Heaven and Hell", or watch Pink Floyd, "The Wall".
The psychadelic experience is about exploring all sides of reality, unlike what happens when you take e or coke where you only experience reality from one angle. "
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well:
1) i did read all the 18 pages
2) i did more or less the same topic issue posted as handA ,but someone at the forume decided to add my post as a reply at HandA's topic. twaice.
3) HandA is right that most of the replys are not answer to the specific topic.
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we/you/anybody can listen to any kind of music ..i dont care about this.
the general isea was about the atmosphere and vibes of the partys or music. and why to add devilish simptoms to the partys or the scene?
by the way... i dont need to read psybooks or hell and heaven book to know whats out there... i see reality every minute.
and the realty is much more then u can imagin yourself...if you had seen what i had seen you werent answere like this.
if u sooooo know about the beyond worlds so u must know that we are all bridges to conect upper worlds or downer worlds to the middle earth(our world) and our acts and thoughtes are making this our reality here.
so as u all can think that all of this dark things is ok for fantasies, let me tell you that when the monment that a man is aware to all those things without drugs , aware that its turn to a real things, belive me that he will just want to close his eyes and want that it will stop and will start to look for the "light" with obssesive let my self say.
i dont knpw why this trand is consider to be cool or something...our now time is not what it used to be...this is a very cosmic time now and very importent to the human race ...things had changed in the way of reality and contioncnse..still not everybody are able to see or understand it but i am shure there are few monments that everybody feel a little strange thing that is going on...
in simple words
Dark is trying to kick out the light from the world now..if u think this is my imagination , just open your eye and you will see what i am talking about.
so as a comunity that origin based on global peace and the good of this world... this devilish atmosphere in partys is bothering my mind...
take care all of you and remember
PEACE BEGIN WITH US
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synthohm
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 21:55
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go complain to goa gil.. he only plays music from the devil nowadays  |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 21:57
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oh quit your preaching.
enough of this light vs. dark indoctrination crap.
dark is light and light is dark, and nothing is really what is seems.
change has nothing to do with light or dark anyway, just discovery of new things which are always light and dark or there would be no balance.
so please let it go, this isn't a church and Astrix isn't Jesus or the devil and neither is Goa Gil.
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 22:03
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we/you/anybody can listen to any kind of music ..i dont care about this.
the general isea was about the atmosphere and vibes of the partys or music. and why to add devilish simptoms to the partys or the scene?
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Why artists have to be limited to one way of expressing themselves in the track titles, music, or deco? If we are centered why should we fear? |
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HandA
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 22:05
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On 2005-07-27 22:03, offthenutboom wrote:
why should we fear?
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you do seem to like the word "fear" a lot...again what does fear have to do with this topic? |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 22:11
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lol
fear has nothing to do with the topic YOU raised, HandA, but has a lot to do with the way some people who seem to support you interpreted it. 
so the misinterpretation goes on both sides. the topic you raised is to the point, but it's ballooned into a monster.
..it's just another party.. |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 22:16
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@goodangel
I understand that everyone don't see these kind of processes the same way.
And hence I don't complain about there being parties with only light music a cheerful decorations.
Everyone cannot travel the same way, even if the goal might be the same most of the time.
But just like HandA you start saying things like "if you had seen what i had seen you werent answere like this" or "this trand is consider to be cool or something".
Then you come across as thinking that your way is the correct way, and people who don't follow the same path as you is wrong.
But it seems to me that you are missing a very fundamental part of how many people here expressed that they relate to the dark.
Just because you use symbolics that is associated with darkness or like dark music in the parties does not mean you like more darkness.
It's about confronting the darkness and getting to know it.
By doing that you can bring light into the darkness.
Let's compare E and psychedelic drugs for example.
If you take an E of good quality you can be assured of no demons or dark forces from your subconscious surfacing. You will only experience the light.
If you take psychedelics you are very likely to have to confront yourself with any previously hidden dark aspects of your psyche that you been staying clear of in your normal state.
That confrontation will actually mean that you bring light into those dark corners of your mind by familiarizing yourself with them.
Same goes for reality, wheather with or without the use of any drugs.
If people choose to ignore the dark sides of what is going on in the world there will be no change and the dark will be able to suffocate the light.
Only if people is able and willing to deal with also the negative aspects we can handle them and bring them into light.
It might be possible to only focus on the light and hope that the light becomes so strong that it will shine in to any hidden closets.
But to me it seems like you have to find those closets and break open the doors to be able to transform yourself or the world into a brighter reality.
It's up to you what path you travel and I don't think you are being against the dark to be cool and realise that you have seen what you have seen and I have seen what I have seen.
But please stop to continously repeat phrases like "not everybody are able to see or understand, but i am sure" or "realty is much more then u can imagin yourself".
It's not a good idea to continously try to point out that you think you know better than everybody else and displays a severe difficulty of being able to understand other peoples ways of thinking.
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HandA
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 22:21
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On 2005-07-27 22:11, DiMiTry wrote:
lol
fear has nothing to do with the topic YOU raised, HandA, but has a lot to do with the way some people who seem to support you interpreted it.
so the misinterpretation goes on both sides. the topic you raised is to the point, but it's ballooned into a monster.
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So far i ahaven't seen many people supporting me.. only 2 or 3.
On the contrary I have seen many many people twisting the topic to their own benefit, getting way too personal and offended and some acting like school teachers lecturing us in the wonders of The Devil and his merry men.
And when someone say what he has experienced in parties (like the example of the "evil" parties) then he's attacked and made a laugh of by those who seem very reluctant to accept that some of us feel it's gone too far with the use of evil symbols.
No we cant change a thing (or maybe we can if we keep telling people that dark music does not have to be associated with devil symbols) but we have every right to ask questions and to think what we think without being called varius harsh names and get insults here and in private messages. Or get long rants from various selfproclamed "real" dark and goa trancers. |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 22:58
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I think both sides are guilty of misinterpretation here. I think a lot of it has to do with the wording of the original post. Maybe if you actually said: "I have nothing against the music, but the use of these NAMES in song titles weirds me out" then we wouldn't have this redundant 18 page discussion that just inflames everyone.
just as a note: this was in the original post, full of faux-positive, almost christian, highly judgemental rhetoric. How can you even deny that you were looking to provoke, and not you are trying to say you had nothing to do with any of it?
"No one can deny that our scene was build on total different values and NOT on dark devil worshipping!
I dont know the people personally behind the music and maybe they are not into devil worshipping but I do have my suspicions that they are attracted to the devil and darkness. Why else all this dark evilness in the track titles, samples and music? "
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HandA
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 23:09
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On 2005-07-27 22:58, DiMiTry wrote:
I think both sides are guilty of misinterpretation here. I think a lot of it has to do with the wording of the original post. Maybe if you actually said: "I have nothing against the music, but the use of these NAMES in song titles weirds me out" then we wouldn't have this redundant 18 page discussion that just inflames everyone.
just as a note: this was in the original post, full of faux-positive, almost christian rhetoric. How can you even deny that you were looking to provoke, and not you are trying to say you had nothing to do with any of it?
"No one can deny that our scene was build on total different values and NOT on dark devil worshipping!
I dont know the people personally behind the music and maybe they are not into devil worshipping but I do have my suspicions that they are attracted to the devil and darkness. Why else all this dark evilness in the track titles, samples and music? "
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Where did I say I had nothing to do with any of it?
And no my intention was never to provoce but to raise and debate a topic I feel strongly about. So please do not fall into the same trap as others have done here - assuming things about me that's not accurate.
Yes your right I could have written it differently but do you really think that would have made any difference? I strongly doubt it.. people seem to go for the kill here no matter how people put things....
Even when i later explained that what i meant was not about the music itself but the symbols, tracktitles and use of evil samples i was misquoted and my point was twisted... and it have been twised ever since no matter what i write here... and do you see me at one point being personal or insulting to anyone? nope! But go ahead and read the posts again (if you bother) and see how many of the "dark" music lovers that have insulted me or anyone that dared to have an opinion that did not match their opinion.
Thats whats going on here...nothing else! |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 23:15
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On 2005-07-27 23:09, HandA wrote:
Yes your right I could have written it differently but do you really think that would have made any difference? I strongly doubt it..
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maybe next time it's something you could experiment with. 
..it's just another party.. |
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HandA
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 23:19
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On 2005-07-27 23:15, DiMiTry wrote:
maybe next time it's something you could experiment with.
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oh but i have indeed.. the results were pretty much the same and one time i even had my post edited by a mod even though i was quite polite and within the rules of the forum.... this is just how things go here i guess. |
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 23:38
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after discussing this with the author of the thread - we decided its best to lock this topic since it has gone off its original intent and does not serve any purpose right now in its state... i suppose if anyone (including the author) wish to open a new thread about this be our guest.. lets try to keep the next one more on topic and with bullshit free.
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