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Do Devil Worshipping belong in this scene?
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DJSarasin
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Posted : Jul 4, 2005 19:33
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jul 4, 2005 19:47
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On 2005-07-04 14:49, vegetal wrote:
I know for sure that if you play any dark Killlarg track backwards you can hear satan saying - kill a goat, worship me , killarghh! |
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actually, you've got your information wrong. that happens if you play Alien Project backwards, and some other "uplifting" morning artists. it's all about the special evil VSTs they get from the reptile people. They're really the evil onessss.. 
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Pavel
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Posted : Jul 4, 2005 21:06
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If you'll spin Alien Project record backwards it will sound better.
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damage
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Posted : Jul 4, 2005 23:15
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well i don`t really want to worshop anybody, cause i think it`s a bit ...well lets`s leave it at that.
but satan, if you are female and hot(being the devil, you probably are) ... I`LL BE YOUR SLAVE BABY !!!
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gaspard
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Posted : Jul 4, 2005 23:30
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On 2005-07-04 19:33, DJSarasin wrote:
I am not scared....therefore will put a pentagram on my body!
Its a picture...means nothing to me!!
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i reckon its all down to the intention behind the image. the hindu religion uses a swastika in a positive way - intention = good. the nazis used the same image in a negative way - intention = baaaaad. the image carries the intention of the person using them. not to be taken lightly!
people use various images that may mean something or not to them. some use them to be "unique" or try to be others use them to offend, therefore to get attention. others use them because these images mean something deeper to them.
i think images are very powerfull and are rarely just a "picture" but in the end intention is the key element in their use.
right i m off to play alien project backwards to see if it will sound better.
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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snowflake
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 12:34
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On 2005-06-25 18:15, Pavel wrote:
If you'll play a Skazi album in reverse you won't hear satanic messages. But it will sound much better.
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On 2005-07-04 21:06, Pavel wrote:
If you'll spin Alien Project record backwards it will sound better.
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Having some memory problems or just lack of good jokes?
Out Here We're Stoned.... |
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Pavel
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 14:58
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On 2005-07-05 12:34, snowflake wrote:
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On 2005-06-25 18:15, Pavel wrote:
If you'll play a Skazi album in reverse you won't hear satanic messages. But it will sound much better.
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On 2005-07-04 21:06, Pavel wrote:
If you'll spin Alien Project record backwards it will sound better.
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Having some memory problems or just lack of good jokes?
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Read my posts backwards.
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DJSarasin
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 15:37
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traveller
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 16:00
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Don't think much of this dark trance myself. I find it somewhat, what's that word again.. pretentious? Evil my ass. If you want to hear something real evil go to a full on party. Now that's a torture to the brain and ears..  eh
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scobbah
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 16:50
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Hey HandA!
Consider me writing this in a kind of a bad mood, as I just wrote one of the longest post this forum has yet seen to this date and of course my browser (Firefox) hangs up on me. Thanks a lot, I guess I can blame Micro$ucks for the OS stability.
I'm not taking that chance again.. But here's the deal, I skip the long history talk here and the long smooth arguing process.
The purpose is not selling more CD's, because we, Devils Mind Records, are a non profit label. All cash we earn is being donated to welfare organizations, such as the World Food Programme. I can only speak of our label, and not for any artist or other label promoting what is to be considered as "dark music".
We wish to create an opposite towards all blunt music. Not all music is promoting bluntness for sure, but too much are and too much of this music (whom I respect, but I have no serious wishes to take any part of it) is flooding the market today.
We're here to provoke, and obviously we have succeeded. I'm engaged politically in several organizations such as Animal Rights Sweden, and the engagement and actions at least got me inspired. We're not looking for the masses, we're not looking to attract just about everyone. Everyone is welcome to listen and enjoy our stuff and concept, but we wanted to provoke in the first place in order to attract people with similar ideas compared to us, sharing ideas about the scene going a bit blunt at some points. We do not wish to attract Satanists, but they are welcome as well. So are you, HandA.
By provoking and being a bit "controversial" at some parts, we have gained a lot of support (thanks friends and supporters of DVSM!) from people who share similar ideas to us. We have succeeded what we wanted to do and create. There will always be a group, perhaps minor, that will be considered "controversial" and they will most likely be a part of a bigger group. Perhaps not officially, but they have connections. Perhaps ideas, religion, ideologies, lifestyles, collectives, I do not know as there are plenty of possible scenarios.
I can though admit that I'm a bit worried at times about the development as well. We founded the label one year ago in order to bring an opposite to the blunt music that was flooding the market. Now dark music is flooding the market as well together with regular full-on and there are tons of dozens of new dark labels being founded. What I wanted to create one year ago has today gone off the limits from my point of view, and what I used to love and what made me willing to go to parties again was the power within this "aggressive" music. I was sick and tired of full-on, but dark music is today (at least here in Sweden and if you look at the market of records, it might confirm this) has become what full-on was two years ago. Kind of big and the wave of music striking the scene has not turned back yet. But I truly believe in Devils Mind and our concept, and therefore I want to put all my energies into DVSM to see where this might lead. We have great supporters and friends of the label, and we do not wish to get big. So perhaps this project of ours, being run in our spare time when we are off works and university studies, can become what I'd like it to be. A small group of people attracted to a music they love and share without being fake PLUR.
Fake PLUR? What do I mean? Well considered that too much music these days are just flooding the market with products of bluntness. I'm not the one to judge so I'm not giving you the actual "truth" here or stating that I’ am - but this is my piece and view of the whole cake. Doing a copious amount of drugs each day being spaced out and spending all your cash on just being freaked out - how many lives does that save each night when people are starving to death in the third world countries?! How PLUR are you for real when you are supporting corporations that are having affairs with dictatorships in such countries ruled by that style? How PLUR are you when you support corporations that are committing genocides (Shell?! Anyone?!)? How PLUR are you when you are supporting corporations who are slaying human rights, violating the UN human rights statements over and over again etc. etc. This could be never ending, I mean about me continuing this arguing in this thread. 
I do not say that it is wrong or bad to do drugs sometime and I'm not against drugs. I do not say that it is wrong and you get bad karma when you are supporting a corporation who are confirmed striking acts of any of the kinds previously mentioned. But what I do say that I do not want to take a part of it - and I try to follow the almost cliché but yet so wise saying: "Be the change you want to see in the world". Guess I got that right, or anyone wishes to correct me?
I'm actually trying to make a change. I hope you are as well. What I want to say with this is that we are not elitists that are saying we are so damn right and you are not welcome - no - but what I am saying is that I do not wish to take a part of this so I try to follow what I believe is real. I respect anyone who believes that being freaked out 24/7 makes the world a better place and investing it's time of the day and night being just spaced out. But I don't want to be a part of it. Lucky me, I've had the honor of having this crew of mine - a bunch of friends all over the planet that shares my ideas.
This could grow into a whole column for sure. I'm quite disappointed at my browser for hanging up on me last time. I'd love to have all the background info posted here as well. But anyhow.
What I understood from your friend though is that he is of the idea that we are "promoting" (I do not see it as promotion, I see this as a part of our concept and nothing else) stuff in a bad way. I do not agree with him, but I do understand him for sure. I understand if some people might get offended - perhaps we should put a "we're sorry!" banner for those. But perhaps those people wouldn't find the pleasure of hanging out with us at the forums and such if they went so easily offended by whatever reason they have to for going offended (which I respect). I understand if some people think we're Satanists and totally evil scumbags of the earth. But once again, I guess the same people probably won't share our ideas. Some will for sure! But most likely not! And do I care? No, not really without sounding harsh or cold. We have our small group which we'd like to keep small - and I'm deeply grateful for the friends we've gotten on the way creating this opposite pool.
Anyone is welcome, and that includes you HandA. But keep in mind that there will always be people in the scene who will connect and form groups, and have ideas that might be a bit controversial to some. But at the end of the day, who are making the change?
I do not know, but what I do pray for is that the money we will donate through our label, as the money I'm donating my self personally besides this business, are going to help someone to a better life tonight.
In the end, why do we use these symbols? Well, with this text kept in mind, we used them to form our little community. We formed a minor group in cyberspace and in real life that loves dark music, and the group is not easily offended screaming hey bitch you can't think like that because that is not superPLUR (see the ironic part here please). We succeeded with our mission.
This subject is wide and it's difficult to manage to debate all the parts of it, but here's at least some background of our concept. I could write on this subject for an eternity, and I have most likely left a lot of spots here for people to flame at due to my bad mood of Firefox crashing' on me. But if you please just take a chilled breath and just try to get the general point here, perhaps it can lead you somewhere I hope...
All the best,
Alex of Devils Mind Records |
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suomi guy
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 16:58
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i really don't think such names of tracks are relating to devil worshiping...for example the names you wrote are tracks created by azax syndrom, psychotic micro etc...those ppl came from the metal scene before they started to make trance...so they are influenced by the metal style and artists...if you'll dig more you'll see that those names are names of metal songs (south of hell is like a rename for south of heaven by Slayer and etc.) that i think the artists used to hear them so they also named tracks in similiar names to metal songs names.
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Posted : Jul 5, 2005 17:51
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very nice post, alex!
it's also exactly my point of view!
all the best to devils mind records |
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snowflake
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Posted : Jul 6, 2005 04:32
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On 2005-07-05 14:58, Pavel wrote:
Read my posts backwards.
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I understand you still hear those voices...
Out Here We're Stoned.... |
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mubali
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Posted : Jul 6, 2005 07:04
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Wow... very well stated Alex. I think you might have helped diffuse a potentially volitile situation...
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HujaBoy
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Posted : Jul 6, 2005 11:36
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My opinion is that people can make dark music without relating themself to evil or satan or ani kind of mumbo jumbo.
I come from metal and i use to listen to death metal etc..and I like the power in the music but the last thing i want to do is make people feel bad or sad through my sounds. |
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