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julex
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 13:20
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What do you think about djs that use bpm counters and stuf that put the 2 or 3 tracks at the same bpm??
For me a dj have to play with ear, not with eyes. On partys i have seem very djs that are constantly whatching to the bpm counter.
For me bpm counter is for kids that dont know how to mix properly.
And for you?? What do you think?
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nyama
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 14:08
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as long as the mix sounds good, i think it is not necessary to watch the dj how he does it...
if i like the tracks and its probably mixed i dont care if its done with eyes or ears....
but most good djs dont need to use the counter...  |
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 16:17
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the counter is a tool for quick preview so the dj can focus more on other things during the mix.
its more luxury than necessary. and beeing a dj is so much more than keeping 2 trax on beat.
and ofcourse a dj should be able to work without it and still be able to keep the trax on beat
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pr0fane
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 16:41
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Nygma
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Posted : Feb 16, 2006 00:43
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On 2006-02-15 16:41, pr0fane wrote:
I don't use the beatcounter, but who cares if someone does. In the end it doesn't matter - all that matters is what comes out of the speakers 
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exactly, couldn't agree more, it's the end results for the audience that matters !!
but there's are some well known djs out there who mix on huge festivals and still can't beat match properly, with or without bpm counter. and most party people don't even care... to me it's pure torture!!
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clown
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Posted : Feb 16, 2006 00:59
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Nygma
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Posted : Feb 16, 2006 01:57
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cool, that's what's missing next to real "fake" live acts 
i don't care if the mix isn't 100% smooth or maybe a bit off, but both tracks got to be at least at the same speed/bpm at the point of transition ... don't you agree?
so why not use the bpm counter just to make sure both tracks are at the same speed BEFORE the mix?
i heard astrix got all his tracks preset at 145bpm so he doesn't need to beatmatch during his dj set... just needs to que and mix it, voilą ... but this just a rumour
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echovoid
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Posted : Feb 16, 2006 02:18
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thats such a limited part of the mixing...
by ear/ by beat counters/ calculating it all before hand... doesn't matter as long as it mixes well... |
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Paladin
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Posted : Feb 16, 2006 12:39
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On 2006-02-16 02:18, echovoid wrote:
thats such a limited part of the mixing...
by ear/ by beat counters/ calculating it all before hand... doesn't matter as long as it mixes well...
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Spot on mate!!!
At the end of the day those that look at a beatcounter are just using a tool to allow them to get to the important part of mixing quicker, i.e. how & where you are going to mix the 2 tracks together and what you are going to do with EQ, loops or whatever!
I personally don't use the beatcounter BUT thats because my cd wallet inserts/index cards have the BPM's of every track on them, i.e. the same thing as looking at the beat counter but quicker!!!!
That means I can just focus on cueing up, EQ etc etc etc to get a good mix done.
The other thing is it frees up time to interact with the crowd... an important element in a dj set!!!
Dave
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DJ Wacko
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Posted : Feb 16, 2006 17:37
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Owing to long-term experience I don't test in difficulties for selection a BPM. I don't look at the counter. Only by ear (as to me, HEADPHONES).
But many many djs and do, therefore often are not in time to mix, or them mix it turns out with scatterings :-(!
Why they do it?
Everyone know, that BMP counter gives only approximately value.
Down with BPM!
Excellen set's will come only with practice!
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clown
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Posted : Feb 16, 2006 21:20
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The other thing is it frees up time to interact with the crowd... an important element in a dj set!!!
Dave
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I dunno.. i have a pair of Cdj 800's at my place, and i can't hide that they have a bpm counter.. I started mixing with a pair of 100's before, and that trained my ear to work fast and beatmatch without counters.. 1 thing i can say for sure, is that, in full-on, it takes about 30 seconds to beatmatch without a counter, just by ear, with headphones.
if we consider that, full-on tracks are on average 6 minutes, and that most dj's dont mix longer than 1 minute, that leaves about 4 minutes to interact with the crowd
a BPM counter is usefull when you have to go to the bathroom durring a set.. hehehe..
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Raoul V
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Posted : Feb 16, 2006 21:30
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Ummm, any dj who knows his arse from his elbow, knows the .7% scale so even if there is no counter, no harm done, he can match a track in under 30 seconds... being a dj is abt track selection, the tools you use to get you there are well, insignificant.... |
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Feb 16, 2006 22:07
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On 2006-02-15 13:20, julex wrote:
What do you think about djs that use bpm counters and stuf that put the 2 or 3 tracks at the same bpm??
For me a dj have to play with ear, not with eyes. On partys i have seem very djs that are constantly whatching to the bpm counter.
For me bpm counter is for kids that dont know how to mix properly.
And for you?? What do you think?
(Sorry about my english)
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Wait till Ableton mixing takes over the trance scene.
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clown
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Posted : Feb 16, 2006 22:13
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Trackselection.. hum.. let me think about this one..
well, the only problem with saying "what makes a Dj is there trackselection" is that, well, not everyone has the same tastes in music.. what some people praise, other's hate !! its too personal to judge a dj by what tracks they play.. that's why we have to find something a little more technical, a little less general.. a standard such as HOW !!!
any dj can play killer tracks !! not every dj know's how to play them. I know many Dj's who have no talent as a Dj and crossfade killer tracks the whole set.. people like that because of the tracks he plays.. ok, that's fine.. but does that make him a good DJ ?? not in my books.. like people who mix using a PC. there is no skill involved, no talent.. just pressing buttons and "auto-pitch" .. ohh, but they make superdooper long mixes.. its all emotionless.. i once had a tracklisting for a gig.. my mixing was tighter than ever.. after my set, my friends came to see me and told me i was like a robot up there.. no emotion, stressed as hell..they told me it was my worst set.. it had nothing to do with trackselection.. people can feel the vibe you release. They know what's going on even if they couldn't see me looking at my pre-determined trackselection.. Never again did i do that to the people....
i'll let you all in on a little secret.. promise you will not cry.. what else REALLY makes a "good" dj is how many parties he throws per year, how well he self promotes himself, how many friends he has, how many tickets he can sell for his gigs ... Sad yes, but there is some truth in those words !! accept it or not, that's up to you !
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Greg Coyle
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