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DJs who refuse to mix in or let the next DJ mix in
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 24, 2011 11:51
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On 2011-08-24 05:10, Beat Agency wrote:
I played in Japan 2 times and both parties had no breaks whatsoever.
It can be debated if Jaoan is the best psychedelic scene in the World. But peace with your opinion 
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Well said, parties where YOU played. Parties that I went, such as the legendaries Blue Moon, Blissdom, LTS, Aurora Psychedelica, with BIG names and an wonderful atmosphere, they had breaks.
I am in peace. It's you who is always involved in imbroglios with everybody, about everything.
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Awww how bad of me. Imagine if I shared the same opinion as you how peaceful in mind you would be and not so annoyed that some bad guy from Denmark does not share your experience and views
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Outolintu
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Posted : Aug 24, 2011 13:08
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from a listener's point of view i dislike continuous music in an event. it's good to have short pauses between sets and especially live-sets. it's not about the people on stage (ofcourse you can cheer or boo if you need to) but the music: if you have on the same stage different kinds of styles it sounds horrible to mix dj sets together. i also think it's good to snap out of it for a short while as a dancer/listener and realize a new different journey is about to begin and also marvel and ponder the previous one.
back in the days when i was playing live there always was a short pause between live-sets and it felt right. it was a clear signal to the audience that the performer is about to change.
but then again... nowerdays it seems most events do not offer music on a broad spectrum anymore and the sound in certain genres is somewhat unvarying so a pause free continuum is more fitting than before.
...but i still don't like it 
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pete
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Posted : Aug 24, 2011 20:59
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I disagree, but definitely some food points here. Regarding different styles being mixed together-worse than a break for sure. I strongly believe that parties should have a gradual progression of music from set to set, so the music at a party changes over time. I guess parties are organized this way more often or less often from region to region.
As far as a chance to end one story and start another, it all comes down to how long of a story you want.
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On 2011-08-24 13:08, Outolintu wrote:
from a listener's point of view i dislike continuous music in an event. it's good to have short pauses between sets and especially live-sets. it's not about the people on stage (ofcourse you can cheer or boo if you need to) but the music: if you have on the same stage different kinds of styles it sounds horrible to mix dj sets together. i also think it's good to snap out of it for a short while as a dancer/listener and realize a new different journey is about to begin and also marvel and ponder the previous one.
back in the days when i was playing live there always was a short pause between live-sets and it felt right. it was a clear signal to the audience that the performer is about to change.
but then again... nowerdays it seems most events do not offer music on a broad spectrum anymore and the sound in certain genres is somewhat unvarying so a pause free continuum is more fitting than before.
...but i still don't like it
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ploink
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Posted : Aug 24, 2011 23:47
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On 2011-08-24 03:26, goa-ganges wrote:
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On 2011-08-23 22:20, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-08-23 22:15, goa-ganges wrote:
Also, psy parties always had this break.
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Not at all true. On the contrary.
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Say for yourself and the parties where played. I have been to parties since 1994 and in 9 out of 10 of them I saw breaks. BTW, I have never seen you live. That must explain it. And, please, don't behave as the holder of truth ("not at all true"). The world is way bigger than your navel. Stop looking at it and inferring the rest of the world from what wonders you see from there.
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i have been going to and playing at parties in denmark and abroad since 93 and did not experience breaks between djs and acts until maybe 4-5 years ago
but hey maybe you always did it at your local parties
when people ask me if they should make a break after i play i always say no
i dont like it myself when im on the floor..
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 24, 2011 23:55
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On 2011-08-24 23:47, ploink wrote:
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On 2011-08-24 03:26, goa-ganges wrote:
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On 2011-08-23 22:20, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-08-23 22:15, goa-ganges wrote:
Also, psy parties always had this break.
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Not at all true. On the contrary.
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Say for yourself and the parties where played. I have been to parties since 1994 and in 9 out of 10 of them I saw breaks. BTW, I have never seen you live. That must explain it. And, please, don't behave as the holder of truth ("not at all true"). The world is way bigger than your navel. Stop looking at it and inferring the rest of the world from what wonders you see from there.
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i have been going to and playing at parties in denmark and abroad since 93 and did not experience breaks between djs and acts until maybe 4-5 years ago
but hey maybe you always did it at your local parties
when people ask me if they should make a break after i play i always say no
i dont like it myself when im on the floor..
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Just like you I am from Denmark and have been at it since 94 almost everywhere in the world (incl. Japan) and as I wrote earlier in 9/10 parties breaks never occurred and if they occurred it was usually ONLY after a live-act. It never happened between DJs. And on the contrary to whatever goa-ganges think he know I played at the top parties and festivals alongside the biggest names in this scene.
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Posted : Aug 25, 2011 00:35
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Breaks betweeen "live sets": yes, because theya re mostly hit after hit they only go up.
breaks between dj sets: no, because good dj sets have ups and downs.
The real issue arent breaks, its the stupid format of live acts which is boring.
If you put a good real live acts between dj sets, it will shine, it will be different. Otherwise live acts are BS.
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Aug 25, 2011 03:45
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On 2011-08-24 23:55, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-08-24 23:47, ploink wrote:
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On 2011-08-24 03:26, goa-ganges wrote:
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On 2011-08-23 22:20, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-08-23 22:15, goa-ganges wrote:
Also, psy parties always had this break.
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Not at all true. On the contrary.
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Say for yourself and the parties where played. I have been to parties since 1994 and in 9 out of 10 of them I saw breaks. BTW, I have never seen you live. That must explain it. And, please, don't behave as the holder of truth ("not at all true"). The world is way bigger than your navel. Stop looking at it and inferring the rest of the world from what wonders you see from there.
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i have been going to and playing at parties in denmark and abroad since 93 and did not experience breaks between djs and acts until maybe 4-5 years ago
but hey maybe you always did it at your local parties
when people ask me if they should make a break after i play i always say no
i dont like it myself when im on the floor..
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Just like you I am from Denmark and have been at it since 94 almost everywhere in the world (incl. Japan) and as I wrote earlier in 9/10 parties breaks never occurred and if they occurred it was usually ONLY after a live-act. It never happened between DJs. And on the contrary to whatever goa-ganges think he know I played at the top parties and festivals alongside the biggest names in this scene.
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Sorry, I don't know that. And I just can't compare tha Japanese scene - which is world class, with the Danish one. Way too local and full of My Own Navel Trance. |
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ploink
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 00:09
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On 2011-08-25 03:45, goa-ganges wrote:
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On 2011-08-24 23:55, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-08-24 23:47, ploink wrote:
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On 2011-08-24 03:26, goa-ganges wrote:
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On 2011-08-23 22:20, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-08-23 22:15, goa-ganges wrote:
Also, psy parties always had this break.
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Not at all true. On the contrary.
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Say for yourself and the parties where played. I have been to parties since 1994 and in 9 out of 10 of them I saw breaks. BTW, I have never seen you live. That must explain it. And, please, don't behave as the holder of truth ("not at all true"). The world is way bigger than your navel. Stop looking at it and inferring the rest of the world from what wonders you see from there.
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i have been going to and playing at parties in denmark and abroad since 93 and did not experience breaks between djs and acts until maybe 4-5 years ago
but hey maybe you always did it at your local parties
when people ask me if they should make a break after i play i always say no
i dont like it myself when im on the floor..
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Just like you I am from Denmark and have been at it since 94 almost everywhere in the world (incl. Japan) and as I wrote earlier in 9/10 parties breaks never occurred and if they occurred it was usually ONLY after a live-act. It never happened between DJs. And on the contrary to whatever goa-ganges think he know I played at the top parties and festivals alongside the biggest names in this scene.
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Sorry, I don't know that. And I just can't compare tha Japanese scene - which is world class, with the Danish one. Way too local and full of My Own Navel Trance.
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spoken like a true bigot..
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Elad
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 04:20
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 04:22
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i remember in the goa days many acts were starting their live set with a slow tune,it was great imo, it was a transition. |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 08:14
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break of music is the worse case on a psytrance party for me. A real downer - especially at nights.. please be careful with your travellers/visitors and don't do that
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Larrikin
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 16:28
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 19:08
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I believe I have spotted the key issue here.
There are two groups of people here:
1. Those who believe it's important to applause artists on stage and not so important to maintain the flow and "state of trance" on the floor.
2. Those who believe the flow and the real stars - the people on the dance-floor are more important than DJ/artist applause.
But at the end of the day it's how and where you were introduced to this scene that form your opinion and believes.
There are those who was introduced to a increasing commercialized scene (usually a bit younger people arriving from 2000 and onwards usually attending big commercial festivals booking The Top 20 artists/DJs). They tend to think applause is necessary. IMO I believe they prefer a "concert kind of party" and do not seem so concerned about reaching a state of trance as their approach to the scene is of a more commercialized view.
And then there are those who was introduced to a underground scene with strong believes in reaching a state of trance via a steady flow letting "faceless" music speak it's own language. They usally tend to disagree with those who want applause between the artists and DJs.
My 2 cents - like it or not.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 19:21
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On 2011-08-26 16:28, Larrikin wrote:
personally as a producer i think its a bit rude when someone beat matches into your last track, especially when they start mixing 3 min before the end of the track and make mince meat of it ! nothing wrong with a bit of fading, no need for a pause between acts..... my 2c
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I agree it's rude with 3 min. mixing. But I do not think it's rude to mix in the end. I find it more rude to break the flow on the floor and snap people out of their state of trance with a gap. After all this IS trance music and the purpose of trance music is to put people into a state of trance. Not to stop the music and ruin their journey with silence, people shouting, whistling and applauding.
This is why I think there is a too big ego thing going on at the stage these days. It's the people on the floor that matters. Not people on stage. And no not all behave like worshiped stars expecting people to applaud them so they can harvest their fans worshiping but let's face it. Some do.
But at the end of the day We the artists are there to entertain people on the floor. Not to harvest applause. This is not a Rock concert!
I think the scene would benefit from turning back to the old values where the music and people on the floor are more important than faces on the stage. www.beatagency.dk |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 26, 2011 19:42
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Again you present them as mutually exclusive concepts when they are anything but. Is it impossible to imagine a scenario where the audience is into both giving respect to the artist for doing a great job *and* are into the flow and realize that the soul of the party is the dancefloor?
You are going out of your way to put people in little boxes and separate them.
Maybe it's really bad in Europe, IDK I've never been to one of those big festivals, I've only been to American festivals where the max is like 300 people if that, and usually far less. Maybe people do 'harvest applause' or whatever the fuck.
Out here what I see, is if the crowd really enjoyed the DJ/artist's journey they give them a bit of love at the end of the set - and they even do it without needing a break sometimes. All that is needed is for the incoming DJ to give a nod or point or give some indication that the prior artist's journey is done and the people can clap or do whatever they want if they feel its appropriate.
I don't think I've ever, EVER been to a party in the last 8 years where there has been a break and someone complained....'you broke my trance state brah!'
These are not rock concerts, true. But that does not mean that if there are applause then there is automatically ego and star-worship. I applaud people because they did a great job and took me somewhere, and if that's ego and worship then I'm a fan of ego and worship.
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