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DJs who refuse to mix in or let the next DJ mix in
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Aug 21, 2011 19:53
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Why is it every time you enter a debate you have to focus on me and be rude?
get a life dude!
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Far from that, actually. I do have a life. I do talk about many other subjects besides you. And I am (usually  ) not rude at all.
What you just wrote only further demonstrates what I was trying to convey: your posts always descend into self-pity. Don't understand why: people love your music and even remember who you are. Maybe it's time you get a life and stop feeling shortchanged by the Scene?
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 21, 2011 20:25
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On 2011-08-21 19:53, Maine Coon wrote:
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Why is it every time you enter a debate you have to focus on me and be rude?
get a life dude!
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Far from that, actually. I do have a life. I do talk about many other subjects besides you. And I am (usually ) not rude at all.
What you just wrote only further demonstrates what I was trying to convey: your posts always descend into self-pity. Don't understand why: people love your music and even remember who you are. Maybe it's time you get a life and stop feeling shortchanged by the Scene?
P.S. Dude yourself
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Why don't you for once try to debate instead of focusing on my person? I debate just like everyone else here - Nothing more nothing less and not at all with "self pity" in mind. Actually I challenge you to find one place in this debate where I expressed any self pity. Also please document all the other times I (always as you claim) express "self pity". Otherwise your assumptions are empty words and could be read as you not being able to look beyond your fanatic boring grudge against me.
For the record, I expressed my opinion which is that I do not think pauses are necessary and it used more and more to boost some DJ's egos (applause and worship instead of flow in the music) and you apparently did not agree (what a surprise) and had to become personal and rude (nothing new here too).
Your lectures toward me are getting extremely old and boring and the way you always seem to have to find reasons to my opinions is a debate killer. If you got personal issues with me contact me instead of this juvenile OFF-TOPIC behavior. Thanks. www.beatagency.dk |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Aug 21, 2011 21:28
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Kristian,
I don't hold any grudge against you. Why would I? You never wronged me in any way.
I am not going to catalogue your posts, seeing as I actually do have a life. 
If you don't grasp what I am getting at with my "rude and annoying posts", I have nothing more to say on this OFF-TOPIC subject. As for me steering the focus of discussion towards you, I don't need to do it: you usually do a fine job at that yourself.
Back on topic:
No, a few seconds of applause do not constitute worship. And even if somebody does worship an artist or a DJ - as much as I dislike this - who am I to judge them for that?
In response to your "what it's all about": did it occur to you that it's not all about one and only thing? Could it be different for different people? Could it be that some people want to achieve trance by 16-hour long dancing, while others want to experience drug-induced cruise into those remaining dimensions under assault of psycore, while yet others just want to cheer at Duvdev's "singing"?
Your authoritative decree on "what it's all about" reminds me of that other guy, who is "the only one keeping the spirit of Goa pure". At least, he has a long beard and "Goa" in his name.  |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 21, 2011 23:46
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"what its all about" is indeed very different from person to person.
For me its about community coming together through dance and music, with the potential for cathartic and mystical experiences as a cherry on top of this basic re-assertion of our shared humanity.
Before I was exposed to the psytrance community and events my impression of what parties were all about was vastly different. Still community oriented, but as a distant second to entertainment and pleasure.
We have to be careful of judging other people based on our own strongly held convictions about how things should be - I am quite guilty of this myself at times when I'm discussing music people play at trance parties that I don't like. I know people who go to psytrance events but don't dance. I think that's ludicrous and if I'm not careful it would be easy to say that they're doing it wrong and I would descend into judgement just because they're different from me.
It's one thing to say hey, I don't like it when there are breaks and people clap at trance parties - not my thing. It's another thing entirely to say that that practice is indicative of ego and worship all the time - that may be what you feel but that is not the objective truth for all people.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 00:00
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On 2011-08-21 23:46, willsanquil wrote:
It's another thing entirely to say that that practice is indicative of ego and worship all the time - that may be what you feel but that is not the objective truth for all people.
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If you cared to read what I wrote you would have seen the little "some"
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Pavel
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 00:15
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On 2011-08-21 10:30, Maine Coon wrote:
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BA just gets very grumpy every time people book/applaud/worship anybody other than him.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 00:15
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Kristian ive read everything you wrote in this thread, including you jumping on MC (probably the most polite member on the forum- which made this particularly hilarious) for telling the truth
Anyways, I went back through your posts - there is no "some" anywhere. Here are your posts relevant to the applause issue:
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On 2011-08-18 16:52, Beat Agency wrote
I just want a steady flow and msuic i can get into a state of trance with. Without all the worshiping and inflated egos on stage
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On 2011-08-20 05:03, Beat Agency wrote:
People seem to have forgotten what it's all about.
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On 2011-08-20 06:51, dreadieg wrote:
what's it about, again??
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Trance! Not applause and worship.
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In your last statement you definitely asserted that trance and applause were mutually exclusive concepts, and one might say that that statement equates applause with worship. Idk, my logic skills might be a bit rusty but. Definitely don't see a some.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 00:38
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On 2011-08-22 00:15, willsanquil wrote:
I went back through your posts - there is no "some" anywhere.
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The try again.
On 2011-08-21 20:25, Beat Agency wrote:
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I expressed my opinion which is that I do not think pauses are necessary and it used more and more to boost some DJ's egos (applause and worship instead of flow in the music)
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 01:32
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Ah right, There it is. Sorry, I went back through and re read the thread but I must have skimmed over that comment o.O possibly because it was sandwiched in-between stuff that wasn't of value to the conversation at hand, but that's still my error.
Even with the some, your views do seem pretty black and white...which is fine, but I think that there is some give and take on the issue. I agree that a minute of silence while everyone claps and lines up on the of the decks for BJ duty might be a bit much, but a namaste and a couple claps I think is appropriate and lends to a good friendly vibe that might contribute to an environment more conducive to trance
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 02:06
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On 2011-08-22 01:32, willsanquil wrote:
Ah right, There it is. Sorry, I went back through and re read the thread but I must have skimmed over that comment o.O possibly because it was sandwiched in-between stuff that wasn't of value to the conversation at hand, but that's still my error.
Even with the some, your views do seem pretty black and white...which is fine, but I think that there is some give and take on the issue. I agree that a minute of silence while everyone claps and lines up on the of the decks for BJ duty might be a bit much, but a namaste and a couple claps I think is appropriate and lends to a good friendly vibe that might contribute to an environment more conducive to trance
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I guess insults, getting personal and dictating what is valuable in this debate is the way forward
And if it's hands-in-the air applause you like to see and less flow and trance (which is very much the reality in many corners of the scene these days) then by all means be my guest
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 03:06
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Yet again you assume and extrapolate. I say a few claps and a namaste, you say hands-in-the-air applause and "less flow and trance"
I like to see flow and trance. I *also* like to see at least some token of respect given to the artist or dj who was up there, assuming they did a nice job.
This is not a black and white situation...for instance I think that during night time peak hours when everyone's on the floor long breaks would not be good for group energy...but in the middle of the day when everyone's been dancing all weekend a tiny break is kind of refreshing.
Time and place, ya know?
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Upavas
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 08:49
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Off topic: I think Maine Coon and Beat Agency have to meet, have beers and start writing music together...
On topic: do you want a party to flow, or do you want ego recognition for the artist? Seeing people really enjoy my set, dancing in their own space to what I concoct and visibly having a good time, that is the best reward I can get, add to that some cash and I am in awe. 
Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 10:12
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On 2011-08-18 16:52, Beat Agency wrote:
I just want a steady flow and msuic i can get into a state of trance with .
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Think ppls need some air .. Drink , Smoke , Wach the view around (Also feel the place where there is .. Not only MUSIC MUSIC MUSIC .. , Hey .. You went out .. Drive 2 hours to desert or mountains and you want being a robot ? Let the peopels breathe .. So again , In the nature this is an great way and possibility combine & integrate those two together .
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On 2011-08-18 16:52, Beat Agency wrote:
Without all the worshiping and inflated egos on stage
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What ego , Dont understand what you talking about .. Dj time is over he go down , Beside that who care 'Whats happen 1 minute ago' , He can do what he want in his time , He can fly the moon , I dont care , When i come to party i think of my set not other , Same as life man , No one care about others , You know .. Life (Out there its not isratrance forum - This is the real life) , So when you a person who care about ego's and find the time to 'Fight' with ppls here on almost 6 pages .. So may check where all those come from .
Anyway , Im out of this , Just wrote little somthing for your thought . Grow up
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 11:25
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You people are serious weird. I guess it's taboo to have an opinion here and express it without having to be told to grow up etc. etc. I guess the old saying about not throwing the first stone fit perfect here but again i am sure you consider yourself perfect enough to lecture others.
It's a real shame you kill debates with your pity personal rants! And it's even more sad you have zero self critique. www.beatagency.dk |
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Aug 22, 2011 12:25
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Ego , Shmego .. Already forgot where i forgot him ..
You living in the wild west .. 'Bonanza' And those .. ?
Never saw any ego games on stage , You know its like 'If you in it' Or 'Looking for it' Or 'Live it' Those always be around you , This is the power of the energy and thats the way those things work , But if youll think positive , Be open mind and nice to peoples and trying to see the all sides of the picture/Movie around will be/See different (To all involved) .
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