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Kitnam
Mantik
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Posted : Apr 21, 2004 10:53
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This is might be offtopic.. but i think the businessrelationcare is also a part of music creation.
I have the idea to manage a web-community for artists, young newcomers, Djs to create contacts to each other for talking about business-related problems specially about:
LABELS which are not reliable,
PARTYORGANIZERS which are not reliable
(which means not getting paid, clearing questions about trading rights, trademarks etc. - getting to promised flightback-ticket after gig etc. the list is endlees)
It should protect young artists, learning from older ones and to share out to each other bad experiences with "dark hole and corner"-labels and organizers. we have many bad black sheeps over here, and its time to have a connection, so that a fooled Dj, Produces feels not "to be alone" with such problems.
i do not wnat to assassinate characters, but the represention of based on fact experiences.
first off all i want to ask you what you think about it, and which ideas such a community should be integrated.
im planing to manage a homepage for doing that. (maybe passwort-secured for members only - which also means the everybody would be welcome after testing the identity)
let me know,
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medir
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Posted : Apr 21, 2004 11:00
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...yeah...good idea !
i m p****d off about the bad-mouthing in this forum over the last months...new trend ?!
the mods should delete such threads immediatly...soap-operas are running already enough at tv...
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experiment ! |
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Kitnam
Mantik
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Posted : Apr 21, 2004 14:06
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the bad-mouthing in this forum shows that many people serach for help and have no platform for communications about their problems. |
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Apr 21, 2004 15:58
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I think an online community like this would be a great place for people to share advice/ideas with other artists.
There are shady promoters/labels/people/etc, it'd be great to have a resource to go and see if a particular person/label has had a relationship with an artist and whether it was positive or negative in the artist's opinion. My only concern is that it would be very easy for people to use such a place for revenge (it's easy to distort reality when we're angry), so for that I'm a little concerned.
But hey, eBay's feedback system seems very successful, why not learn from what works?
I think a community like this could use things like:
-a profile page for an artist, maybe with links to their site and a blurb about who they are and what they do.
-an 'incidents' section that lists negative experiences artists have had with promoters/labels/etc. It would be important to try and keep this as factual as possible as it does no good to other artists if you think Mr. Promoter is a #@$#@ and @#$#@#$. (maybe restrict insults and bad language to keep the posts clearer?).
-A way to search through the incidents for a particular promoter/label. I don't know how much effort you want to put in to this portion, but if you created a form for people to register an incident in which they entered the name of a promoter (including nicknames, etc) and the location, it would be easy to search such a database. For labels this is less of a concern as they have one registered name.
-You will need an area for promoters/labels to defend themselves, or they will feel they have no recourse and *might* take legal action against such a site - especially if people are getting upset and saying unreasonable things. Depends how popular it gets.
The nice thing about a site like this is that it lends to listing positive experiences as well. Promoters/labels might even get an 'account' that members can rate, rewarding those who treat us professionally with positive feedback (definitely thinking eBay here).
wow, that's a lot of rambling. It must be a good idea then!
Keep us posted.
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Kitnam
Mantik
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Posted : Apr 21, 2004 17:04
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thank you very much Alex!
its a database-question and the realising instruments would be no problem, i plan 2 month for the first activation of this "community".
till now i have not thought about integrating labels/promoters/organizers also. i also have no idea to prove which storys are right and which are not right...?! should it be proved?
should everybody join such a community?
should someone being not allowed to join?
how can you check out the identity...?
shall everyone see the list? |
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Apr 21, 2004 17:56
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These are just my opinions/ideas/immediate reactions. 
>till now i have not thought about integrating labels/promoters/organizers also.
I'm sure there are a lot of artists also involved with labels/promoters and vice versa. It would be very hard to limit members as only artists, so you might as well carve out a role in the community for the promoters and labels as there's no way to stop them.
>i also have no idea to prove which storys are right and which are not right...?! should it be proved?
Doubt you can. This is the nature of the internet - there's really no way to prove things like this. The best you can do is try to give everyone a voice and hope that the truth will arise from people confirming events. I'm sure promoters/labels screw over artists, but there are always two sides to a story and it would be most useful to hear both.
>should everybody join such a community?
Since it would take a LOT of effort to try to regulate this, it's probably a good idea to just let anyone join. It's possible that people will join to try and fake good interactions between themselves and artists, or join just to badmouth someone. But effort like this hasn't kept eBay's feedback system from working, and I imagine that profiles of real artists will start to accumulate a history that adds validity to their posts. It's difficult to fake this.
>should someone being not allowed to join?
I don't think you could stop them, all they'd have to do is pretend to be an artist.
>how can you check out the identity...?
Unless you want to get involved with financial means (like using a credit card to verify their identity) I don't think you can. You COULD request proof of identification one way or another, but this would be a huge hassle. Best to just let people create their own online identities and hope that identity theft will be kept to a minimum. In the event that someone is pretending to be someone else you could intervene by asking the member to prove his/her ID (I'm sure there's a legitimate way to do this).
>shall everyone see the list?
Since there's no way to enforce who's who, I don't know how you'd determine who can see what.
Arguably there's good reason to enforce who can join something like this, who can see what, and making sure people are who they claim they are. But really that would be a LOT of work to carry out, and for that reason it's probably best to make it totally open.
Just having a forum dedicated to this kind of thing, that is moderated to keep the immaturity to a minimum, would be a huge help. Plus it can help people network by seeing what kind of people are involved in a local scene.
Personally I would love to be able to see the names of people involved in the local psytrance scene (and contact info, etc).
My 2 cents.
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dNETv2
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Posted : Apr 21, 2004 21:49
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...Just get everything in writting, and read what you sign. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 21, 2004 23:16
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This idea came to my mind a while ago as I have had a few... interesting... experiences with labels and promoters, and was looking for information and other people's experiences with certain groups I was considering working with. I even thought of a name for it - TANZ, or Trance Artists Networking Zone.
Oh, and dNETv2, it's all very well having everything in writing, but a contract is useless to an artist when they don't have the resources to enforce it, eg when releasing on a label in a different country to your own.
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Apr 21, 2004 23:48
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i need to point out sumthin guys ....
this trance scene is relatively small in size compared to hip hop or commercial pop and so we all need to protect each others intrests and help the community grow ..
coz if we dont do this , the comminuty may soon be extinct .. . [who knows i mean ] ....
there are soo many good and bad artists out there , and soo many other guys like me who make trance and plan to release in the near future ..
so many good dj;s with immense talent and potential !!!
so its high time we started thinking of our community as a family and started working together so tht it can grow ...
this is what i feel and am really happy tht guys like mantik think in this way ....
keep up the good work bro and we are always there to support you .. (Y)
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dNETv2
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Posted : Apr 22, 2004 00:50
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Ya gotta point there colin. International business slipped my mind on this one. |
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OpTiKoOl
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Apr 22, 2004 03:15
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hello folks...
I think thats a very good idea.. so Mantik, in matter of hosting, Databases, etc..etc give me a call i might (if i've all your needed resources at my hand, and i think i do) arrange it, for free on a good internetional server...
if you need help on that give me a call..
Stay Fresh!
PS - when new tracks from u come out ?! good music from you... keep up
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Kitnam
Mantik
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Posted : Apr 22, 2004 10:30
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wow, thank you all very much!
great to see that people like to join and provider their help! i also got some positive emails (also from important persons in our scene) too and i think this 'network' could grow and get very successfull.
@optikool
I am going to manage this project with a friend who is realy improved in coding html, i also will realise this with my own design-skills. such a database is very big and needs a strong server and fast table-structure. i think PHP-SQL would be our solution.. and thanks god.... i know enough 'coding-magicans'-fellow students at my computing faculty. but if i need any further help i will tell you for sure... such a community needs also moderators i think. and about the music:
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/34264/forum/41
their will be also a morning tune on dance and dust records soon..
...i had to take a break but now i have a new studio and lots of techtrance tunes will follow! thanks!
@oood
do you know that 'tanz' means 'dance' in german?  this would be great name but i fear the url is not free... we will see.
@gtn
yes, their should be also lots of FAQ for young artists about the 'crazy hard business' out there.
@fuzzi
thank you very much for your imaginations..
i will try to implicate it.
i think to let anyone to get access is out of question now. the labels should also get in, also promoters... onlineshops, magazines.
everyone will have a word, everyone has the right to defend. but if necessary i will check every login personally...i dont want fake IDs, fake threads...etc. |
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Kitnam
Mantik
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Posted : Apr 22, 2004 10:38
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my imaginations i have till now:
- Database with search-function about:
unreliable and serious Labels, Organizers, Promoters, bad Traders?
also a 'string'-field where the people can take position to a case related to the mainpoint.
- Forum
- FAQ for Artists, Djs
(how to release a track, what is a contract, how is the marketrprise, what you need to do, trademarks, rights, etc.)
- contactbase
Label makes a compi? no problem... connections > here
any ideas? |
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motorik
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Apr 22, 2004 14:21
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cool Idea man !!!! 
I love it , just great.
I don't have much knowledge in creating
websites and stuff like that, but i would love to help in anyway i can so if you think of something i can do i will be pleased to take part in your Idea and help.
salute
motorik
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EYB
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Posted : Apr 22, 2004 17:06
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On 2004-04-22 14:21, motorik wrote:
cool Idea man !!!!
I love it , just great.
I don't have much knowledge in creating
websites and stuff like that, but i would love to help in anyway i can so if you think of something i can do i will be pleased to take part in your Idea and help.
salute
motorik
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Yes! Really great idea!
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