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Djing First or Straight Production???
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Yellow Warrior
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Posted : Jul 14, 2004 17:12
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BoobyTrip: Thanks for the link my friend but i think the site is down/ not working.
Thanks for your help though!!
Anyone else????
Thank you.
BoomBoom.....
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zooter
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Posted : Jul 16, 2004 14:30
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gr8 tutorial...i remember that...but a bit 2 big imo...still, u can't get everything for free, right? 
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dNETv2
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Posted : Jul 16, 2004 17:12
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There is too many Djs already, playing the same old crap. Whatever you do... please, do something different.
Full time Djs are ussually wankers anyways. They think they rule the world, when in reality... they are just playin other peoples tracks. Leave it to the musicians! |
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Ulf:G
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Posted : Jul 16, 2004 19:42
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Full time Djs are ussually wankers anyways. They think they rule the world, when in reality... they are just playin other peoples tracks. Leave it to the musicians!
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Word!! |
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mubali
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Posted : Jul 16, 2004 19:46
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If it weren't for those wanker djs, how else would people besides the artists immediate circle find out about their music???
I don't think very many people would have gotten into any of the South African producers or even some of your stuff Ulf:G without those wanker djs...
A dj was the first one to turn me on to bleep, sweeps, & creeps... Then I went and bought the cd..
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dNETv2
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Posted : Jul 16, 2004 21:58
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Hey mubali.
Well, I always though of psy as being different than other forms of electronica. It 'wasn't' about superstar Djs, it was about the Artists. Live performances are always welcome in my book, and I think are more appropriate in this genre... Well, atleast it used to be.
Point being... I'd rather see the Artist who wrote those songs get the credit they deserve, rather thing some dude thinking he's hot sh*t. Its sickening and a false representation of what this music is all about.
Dance clubs are lame, and the ammount of Djs in the world is disturbing. Djing is not music making, and its only art if you do something different, which most don't. Your just beat matchin', and tossin a delay or flanger on some fill every now and then. My view... Not anyway elses.
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br0d
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Posted : Jul 17, 2004 08:01
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DJ's and musicians live in symbiosis, and the sooner they both get their dicks out of their hands and realize they need each other, the sooner they prosper. A lot of times DJs and musicians will make good natural friends anyway, because they share a love of music, which often says more about their character and compatibility as people beyond the music alone. And of course, sometimes the ego is too large on either side of the equation, but, you know, those people have a mental illness and need to be treated before they destroy themselves.
I should also mention that the tendency to transform personal envy, or resentment, into a perceived ego problem on the part of another individual...is another common form of mental illness. People are people. |
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The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Jul 17, 2004 08:41
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Yeah I"ve been dj'ing on and off for a few years in both the psy/chill/breaks and funk/jazz scenes... I"m eventually gonna look into production, but am waiting to finish up at uni... SAE in my home town offer a 6 month course in electronic music production which teachers everything from Midi/software/programming to basic musical composition and how to set up a good home studio on a budget... it's only 2 days a wekks so will be able to work and study at the same time (not much cash in the dj buisness where I live... I think dj'ing gives you a good understanding of how trance flows and you can learn how different styles mix together, flow etc. but I"ve always had an urge to make music, back when I was playing geetarin my own Metal/Hardcore Punk band til now... I reccomend from a lot of local producers in a variety of scenes, the best tunes come from those who started out dj'ing |
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Kaz
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Posted : Jul 17, 2004 13:58
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The connection between DJs and Artists has been one of the main things in making this scene more commercial. The change in TIP records to TIP World was not only a change in name, but also a new focus on the dancefloor instead of on the original and creative. The fact that people look at what works on the dancefloor while making music ends up giving us neo-full-on and fluffy-housy-prog. If you don't want to work under stereotypes I'd say that leave producing and DJing as two things not connected to eachother. If you want to release lots of music, think like a DJ when producing and you'll end up being another wannabe Astrix (which in an interview said that he cares more about the sound of his tracks than about the music).
Hallucinogen, Koxbox... actually, nearly all of the greatest names in the psytrance scene, started first as producers and started DJing only as a side income. The ones who did it the other way around have had a tendancy to conform to dancefloor formulas the more they made music (Tristan, Dimitri, Mark Allen, etc)
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Kaz
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Posted : Jul 17, 2004 14:08
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On 2004-07-16 19:46, mubali wrote:
If it weren't for those wanker djs, how else would people besides the artists immediate circle find out about their music???
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I used to buy any release by TIP and Dragonfly because I knew that even if I didn't know any of the names appearing on the cover it would still be fresh and amazing music that would blow my mind away. Same thing with Flying Rhino, Twisted Records (which are the only ones that I can still buy blindly from and enjoy), Transient and so on.
Do you know why?
Because their compilations weren't compiled as a DJ compilation. TIP's compilations were visionary - every compilation did NOT sound like anything available, but rather sounded like something 2-3 steps ahead. Each compilation changed the scene, not vice versa. Dragonfly compilations brought unkown acts like Hallucinogen and MWNN and later Shakta, Phreaky, Chakra&Edi and so on. Flying Rhino surprised everyone with combining releases from famous artists with unkown acts like Slinky Wizard.
Today a new act wouldn't stand a chance to release on a major label. The last new act to release on TIP were Sub 6, and that was after their unreleased stuff was circulating among DJs for nearly half a year, and the track that was released was worked on in Infected Mushroom's studio.
That's the problem with wanker DJs. They think they know what works, but instead just do what everyone expects/wants them to do.
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Jul 17, 2004 16:07
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musiccians , artists , composers , producers --->>
PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE DISH
dj;s , party organizers , promoters ---->>>
PEOPLE WHO SERVE THE DISH
so both are important .....
but things start getting bad when ,
PEOPLE WHO SERVE THE DISH "BEHAVE " AS IF THEY MADE THE DISH !
plur ... boom ! |
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Blue Night
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Posted : Jul 17, 2004 18:33
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djs make the floor happen and artists create the groundwork for floor..i guess all serious djs should pursue knowledge of production and vice versa...
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dNETv2
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Posted : Jul 17, 2004 20:07
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Well said kaz. Your posts where exactly what I was trying to explain.
I've never seen a psy DJ set, as I am deprived here in Chicago, IL. Yet... I still have a massive CD collection of goa and psy. Mainly Old school... Suprise, suprise.
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dtmoney
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Posted : Jul 19, 2004 18:27
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Well I'm learning to dj and make music right now. I started learning to dj at the end of May. I have learned more about how music is composed than I ever did in my life through djing.
I was doing some thinking this summer and began to ask myself these questions:
"The psy scene is dominated by israeli,european, and some japanese artists. South africa,brazil, and mexico are also beginning to throw out artists as well. What about the United States though. Where is our psy artists(very few)???"
"I love psytrance music. I want to get more deeper into this music genre. Is it possible for me to get into music development as an interest. If so, then how can I get into this genre of music, and is it even possible for me to do so, since I do not have anyone to help me get started??"
"I have no knowledge on things about music theory. Should I buy a book on this stuff or should I wait to go back to school and take up piano lessons?"
It was questions like these which made me decide to whether or not to learn to compose music or not. I could care less about record labels and stuff, but if I could learn how this stuff is done and actually do it myself, then this is a big accomplishment for me. Anyways, I found a online book on music theory, got one of my co-workers training me in piano right now three days a week(she's can sing really bad ass opera music), fiddling with fruityloops for 3-5 hours a day alone,dj for two hours a day to practice my skill, and read the music theory book(s) I have to learn more about scales, rhythm,time signatures, etc.
Even after reading all this music theory, I STILL CANNOT COMPOSE ANYTHING. Someone told me composition is in a little world of its own. I refer to my psy songs to see how psy-music is composed.
I was listening to infected mushroom's the gathering album, and it seems they place alot of emphasis on sound effects and trippiness more than anything. It kinda makes me think if learning the music theory even worth it.
As far as producing goes, LOL, I AM NOWHERE IN THIS AREA. NOWHERE, LOL. I'm still learning about soundwaves, effects,etc. I'm just fiddling around right now learning basic things. It's going to be a while before I can make anything(even if the song is total crap). I don't mind though cause I'm only 23 years old, and I have nothing to stand in my way right now.
To me, creating psy music is a learning experience. If I taught myself how to dj(And still learning) through my own research, then I can do the same with creating music. |
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bLv
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Posted : Jul 19, 2004 19:14
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I think it all depends what your motives are...
If you want to be a DJ to be on stage and in the spotlight then give it up right now!! You just gonna piss people off, including me.
If you want to be a DJ because you love the MUSIC then go for it.
It you want to be a "producer" because you love the MUSIC then become one. Also theory is 1 thing. But sounding "right" is another...
For me its all about the MUSIC and my love for it.
I do what makes me happy.
Psy makes me happy.
Peace
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