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DJ: What to listen for when syncing up beats (after the beatmatch)
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Chemogen
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Posted : Nov 3, 2007 13:18
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So, I'm using the one-earcup method of cueing, my tracks are running at the same BPM and I have the beats matched but when I bring the incoming track in, you hear a DLICK-DLICK-DLICK-DLICK rather than than a DOEF-DOEF-DOEF-DOEF that comes from the one beat being a split second off sync.
Once the incoming track is in the mix and I can hear it through the master, I can very quickly sync them up completely with a nudge of jog wheel but I'd rather the beats be perfectly matched when I bring in the next track.
What should I listen to in the headphones to ensure the beats are spot-on in sync? |
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Seppa
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Posted : Nov 3, 2007 14:07
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The kick .....
I only bring the volume up when its perfectly synced.
I don't beat match listening the loud speaker i do it in the cans. Any descent mixer will allow you to do this. On the other hand I bring the incoming track in by listening to the loud speakers
I haven't been djing in ages to much into production. I ve dreamed last night of djing in a big party ... I shall get back to it. |
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Nov 3, 2007 14:10
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kill the low on the incoming channel and you will hopefully have a quite clear kick in the mid.
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UnderTow
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Posted : Nov 3, 2007 17:55
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I do like Seppa.
Do a quick rough beat match with one ear cup on then send both tracks to the headphones and adjust accurately then take off the headphone and mix in the new tracks listening to the speakers.
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 3, 2007 19:24
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mixing in headphones only
never listen to the speaker they have delay usualy anywayz
so once its great on the headphones i make a switch , can be just boom in the new track while just remove the kick from the one allready plays , or bring up the new track with no bass and high the make slow fades or on the 1st in the bar maje it in quick mode
anywayz dont let the horses ride , its better to even just make fade in fade out mix then bad beatmix
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Chemogen
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Posted : Nov 4, 2007 18:27
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On 2007-11-03 14:10, Dennis the menace wrote:
kill the low on the incoming channel and you will hopefully have a quite clear kick in the mid.
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Possibly the most important tip anyone's given me in regards to mixing. Using this, every one of my mixes was spot on...Thanks a lot.  |
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 09:42
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Saf
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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 22:39
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I turn up the mid really high in the incoming track while it's in the the headphones, so I can hear the click of the kick really clear, so I can match up the clicks with the jog wheel if they're off.
I have both tracks playing in headphones though. |
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Dharma Lab
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Posted : Nov 5, 2007 23:34
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I find each song can be a little different, but the same idea applies- EQ the track you are cueing so you can get the tempo's matched. I'm not afraid to beatchmatch from the highs rather than the lows...whatever it takes to get the job done.
Mixing in the cans is very useful skill to acquire, as sooner or later you will play a gig with a really crappy monitor, or no monitor at all.
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Djones
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Posted : Nov 6, 2007 01:08
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Hey help me out on this:
When I press the cue button on one of my Cdj's, you hear a very short frame of the track playing.
But when trying to find the first click of the kick, I hear the click plus some other short bit of music wooshing bye, but I cannot tell if the click I'm hearing comes after or before the woosh.
What am I doing wrong here? |
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Saf
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Posted : Nov 6, 2007 02:55
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Heh, well generally it will go wooooooooosh Click, and perhaps a Crash Cymbal at the same time as the click.
So if you know a new phrase is going to start, pause it while it's going wooosh, right before the click of the kick happens, and use the jog wheel until you can get the click repeating in that little pause loop.
Then move the jog wheel in reverse until the click is not there anymore cause it is one frame out of the pause loop, and push cue.
That's just in general, I mean there's not always a woosh, and kicks don't always have very audible click (turn up the mid helps then), there might be no crash etc.
Am I understanding your question right? The click you are seeking comes at the highpoint of the woosh, immediately after it.  |
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Jerry
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Posted : Nov 6, 2007 16:44
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you should NEVER have 2x low running at the same time, it gives big collisions on the lower soundspectrum and that is what makes it sound really nasty.
If you face the problem where your tracks aren't synced you should try beatmatching for a longer period. Just let it run on your headphones for 1 minute.. If they are perfectly synced when beatmatching over 1 minute then it is just the timing on which you start the cue when you are ready to mix in the new track.
The only thing that might solve that issue is having a really decent pair of headphones. They should allow you to only listen to the sound in your headphones. When you play at a party you will notice that the resonating sound from the kick is not the start of the kick so if you try to sync it using your headphones as monitor and the master output it's very likely the new track will be timed a little too late. Don't use open or half open headphones when dj'ing but used closed headphones and also try syncing on hihats and stuff because those are better to hear on headphones.
In the end it's all about practising too, if you find a consistent 'flaw' it will be easy to fix, you can just adapt to it..
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Dharma Lab
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Posted : Nov 6, 2007 20:05
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You have to remember that the beats are going to drift while you mix no matter what, you are just getting better at the rate at which they drift. This means you have to do less correction, and frees you up to do other things during the mix.
The better the equipment you use, generally the more predictable the rates of change will be. If you not only react, but actually anticipate, I think you're beatmixing will improve.
If I'm cuing to a downbeat, I generally back the cue up a frame or two before the click/recognizeable start of the kick. Seems to work best for me, since I am not focusing on hitting the top of the play button on beat, but rather focusing on hitting the bottom of the play button up/down travel, on beat. Some equipment responds slightly differently, but this is what works for my setup.
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