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dj chichke
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 23:45
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i'm a djfor about 7 years. and i think i'm good dj. i don't see big advantage in it at my production.
you're wrong about it, when you say that dj's can mix better frequencies. as a dj i learned how to concentrate just on the kick to synchronize 2 kicks to get perfect beat mix. dj mix only 2 tracks and concentrate just on the click of kicks. about all the other frequencies i don't realy care when i mix.
i do have good sense of beat, and know what can work on dancefloors. but i don't have any advantage at making music, and mixing lots of channels and frequencies. know i'm learning to play piano, and i think it's much more important than being a adj at music production. when you learn to play instrument, you learn progress of music, harmony of music, writing melodies. for melodic psytrance i think it's very important. i'm sure without learning piano my music was lots behind and i would need much more time to make good music. |
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pr0fane
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 23:49
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On 2010-02-26 23:45, dj chichke wrote:
i'm a djfor about 7 years. and i think i'm good dj. i don't see big advantage in it at my production.
you're wrong about it, when you say that dj's can mix better frequencies. as a dj i learned how to concentrate just on the kick to synchronize 2 kicks to get perfect beat mix. dj mix only 2 tracks and concentrate just on the click of kicks. about all the other frequencies i don't realy care when i mix.
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You don't EQ when you DJ?   DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
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willsanquil
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Posted : Feb 27, 2010 02:48
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certainly if you only care about beatmatching and dont care about the rest of the mix (er???) then I don't see how it would help production...
but beatmatching is not creative, its simply a technical skill, so much so that a great deal of DJs would rather let the computer do that for them so that they can focus more on track selection, proper EQ, or actually live remixing the song with sends and whatnot
I am not a DJ, but simply mixing a couple of songs together in ableton to get that 1% taste of what it could be to actually mix songs together live with powerful software gave me a good deal of insight. I would say that has helped me production a good bit. |
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dj chichke
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Posted : Feb 27, 2010 17:20
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On 2010-02-26 23:45, dj chichke wrote:
i'm a djfor about 7 years. and i think i'm good dj. i don't see big advantage in it at my production.
you're wrong about it, when you say that dj's can mix better frequencies. as a dj i learned how to concentrate just on the kick to synchronize 2 kicks to get perfect beat mix. dj mix only 2 tracks and concentrate just on the click of kicks. about all the other frequencies i don't realy care when i mix.
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You don't EQ when you DJ?
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no....i don't see any point at it. if i like the track and i want to play it why should i change the eq of it?
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willsanquil
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Posted : Feb 27, 2010 21:51
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so you never think to yourself...wow this bass is really great, but the leads and whatnot aren't as great as THIS track that has AWESOME leads but the bass is kinda meh, I bet if I mixed the separate parts together it'd be better than just throwing them top of each other...
I mean, seriously, you never swap basses or anything? |
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Feb 27, 2010 22:51
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On 2010-02-27 17:20, dj chichke wrote:
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On 2010-02-26 23:45, dj chichke wrote:
i'm a djfor about 7 years. and i think i'm good dj. i don't see big advantage in it at my production.
you're wrong about it, when you say that dj's can mix better frequencies. as a dj i learned how to concentrate just on the kick to synchronize 2 kicks to get perfect beat mix. dj mix only 2 tracks and concentrate just on the click of kicks. about all the other frequencies i don't realy care when i mix.
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You don't EQ when you DJ?
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no....i don't see any point at it. if i like the track and i want to play it why should i change the eq of it?
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well, i was at this party where the the DJ probably didn't realize but the mid-range frequencies(where most of the psycedelicness was happening) was completely drowned by the bass. its kinda important to balance that EQ for us critical listeners i guess. some campers r fine with hearing bass,kick and hats only.
Well i think most agree (some not) that having DJed does have good influence on their producion.
I'm gonna get into it never the less. if i dont gain anything it still looks fun.
i dont expect to get rich. some door money on weekends will ma-ma-make me happy.
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danieLs@n
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Posted : Feb 28, 2010 01:54
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If you are located near Barcelona area ( no se si estas por ahi), I doubt you will make any kind of money
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dj chichke
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Posted : Feb 28, 2010 03:10
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On 2010-02-27 21:51, willsanquil wrote:
so you never think to yourself...wow this bass is really great, but the leads and whatnot aren't as great as THIS track that has AWESOME leads but the bass is kinda meh, I bet if I mixed the separate parts together it'd be better than just throwing them top of each other...
I mean, seriously, you never swap basses or anything?
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i mix start and end of the tracks. most of the times starts and ends are just bassline and few effects without any leads. i adjust the volumess and throwing the new track when i fill it's the right time. at the past when i was mixing i tried to make mixes that would be not noticeable as possible, but i don't think it's neccessary anymore. short mixes at the right time is what i think it's the best now. when nice new basslines coming in the people dance more. and i play fullon . the basslines are quiet similar. furthermore the tracks that i choose to mix will be always tracks that i think that will work good together, and then i won't have problems.
i realy don't think eq is neccesary. just sometimes it's neccessary to play with the bass. i used to play with the mid, but not anymore. think about it. proffesional tracks would have very similar spectrom of frequenices, anything i would do with eq will just heart the balance of the spectrum.
but i don't tell any dj here to stop playing with the eq's. do what works for you. there are more than one method to mix, and anybody likes another kinds of mixing.
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sideFXed
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Posted : Feb 28, 2010 11:14
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I know it's wrong and it sounds selfish, but I always felt better saying I'm more proficient, more into music as a producer. But in the end, it doesn't matter where you start from, it's the dedication you give the music. As a DJ, you prominently buy music and perform with music you bought. As a producer doing liveact or half-liveacts, you get your stuff into the open. But for the public all these things don't matter, aslong the music is good.
I've seen dj's getting the grasp of good production really fast and I have seen ppl not into djing doing great music. It doesn't matter, aslong you love it and keep at it.
Today, the information of doing good music is in the open, there are hundreds of videos how to mix vinyl, how to do sick basslines like cosm  or goldrays or whatever, it's the love and the dedication that counts in the end.
Just never let destroy your affection for the music, keep at it even if it sounds rubbish... at the end the musician needs to be happy. If that's a given, people MIGHT start to like your sound - or they dont... it's as easy as that.
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yornav
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Posted : Mar 2, 2010 03:03
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Er...? When are we going to talk about Creating new sounds on a synth? Melting multiple layers together to perfectly match? To create a professional sound scape?
I mean... A piece of music is a piece of art... it's like a paint... And Dj's only gather all the best pieces of art to play for public, like putting paints in a gallery. What they thought was the best series of art. We now can see. when we are opening our eyes and take a good look at reality. We can see who the real artist is? Don't we?
The skills for a Dj Are nothing more then taking 2months on beatmixing to not make a mistake any more... Listen to what artists are making, take out the best... Make a progression... Turn 3 knobs (the simplest parametric EQ in the world) and two faders...
Now... Learning to play the piano... How long does that take? Learning about SYNTHESIS? How long does that take? Learning all about recording and mixing? How long does it take? What about the real thing? SOUND DESIGN? It's not about understanding what already exists... it's about that and creating something new. Cause the best thing you can do is bring back a new idea 
I think they are two different worlds... Dj and production... |
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antidentity
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Posted : Mar 5, 2010 03:50
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Also when you've been DJing for a couple of years, I imagine you've probably developed a good ear for mixin frequencies. -which might help when producing. i imaging that a DJ would have a keener sense when it comes to things like mixing track groups togther. eg. drums, pads, fx ect.
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I dunno about that. i know some people who have been djing for at least a couple years and some of them have no knowledge of signal calibration, and they think boosting is better than cutting. i think that the knowledge you learn in the process of becoming a good producer can be what makes you good at mixing frequencies together. dj's are notorious for doing things like boosting the highs when they should be cutting the bass and things like that, and sound technicians are notorious for being annoyed with dj's playing on their sound system because they distort what would sound clear. but thats not to say there aren't dj's out there who totally rock, even in the eyes (or ears) of a sound technician. |
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Ascension
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Posted : Mar 5, 2010 15:45
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Another good thing about djing and producing is you can mix your tracks with other stuff, it's a really good way to hear the comparison. You also get to play your tracks on big sound systems (I love running to the other side of the speakers to hear what my music sounds like in the context I want it to be played).
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ah pois eh!
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Posted : Mar 6, 2010 06:49
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hello  iam a dj for 10 years now
and producer for 1 lol
but sure it help alot the skills i had on decks into production www.myspace.com\ratelpsy boom
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Mar 6, 2010 07:55
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well,
I've purchased a cheap DJ hardware module for my PC with software included. all beat-matching is pretty much automatically done for you. Unlike my friends vinyl decks i was fooling around with, which was extremely hard to master.
i'm not sure anymore if this will better my skills at production. some aspects of it ,yes, maybe.
even, on second thought,, coming from a DJ background may make you more likely to copy others music style,(being so accustomed to playing others {specific}music to an audience) thus making you less innovative.
just thinking about the bukboy post.
i'm still learning though.
what skills do you think i can take from DJing to production?
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mquirk1
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Posted : Mar 6, 2010 08:09
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On 2010-02-27 22:51, *eLliSDee* wrote:
well, i was at this party where the the DJ probably didn't realize but the mid-range frequencies(where most of the psycedelicness was happening) was completely drowned by the bass. its kinda important to balance that EQ for us critical listeners i guess. some campers r fine with hearing bass,kick and hats only.
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it's not up to the dj to sort out the sound of a mix at a venue.
1. he is on stage wihch 99% of the time sound completely different to waht it does out the front, so he would have no idea what adjustments to make
2. most dj consoles have like 3 bands max, and are pretty shitty eqs at that. to properly eq a room you need a proper graphic eq with 25-30 bands and it needs to be done by a proper sound technician he is checking the mix at all points on the dancefloor, not from on stage.
from my personal experience djing doesn't improve your ability to mix or understand different frequencies at all. i know personally it was only when i started producing and mixing properly that i started to gain an understanding of eq etc, and i had been djing for years before that. same with all the mates i have who have dj'd then started producing, they were all hopeless when they started but learnt quickly.. djing didn't help at all tho |
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