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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 13:03:15
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I was thinking....
A lot of producers started DJing before they went into producing music. And i think that having a background as a DJ is a major advantage -compared to starting off producing especially dance music.
I've never DJed, just played with a friend system. and i realized how much is involved.
The advantages is ,i think;
*Getting a feel for mixing frequencies. (the system i fooled around with had Bass, Mid and Highs to mix in both sides of the tracks into) you prob know what i mean
*Getting a sense of build-ups, breaks, sweeps and that kind of thing. the overall impression of what makes a good dancing tune.
anyways, i'm considering to purchase a DJ setup(starter kid). not only to better my skills as hobbyist producer,, i can also generate some extra cash as DJ.
any opinions on this?
how did you start off?
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Elad
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 13:12
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 13:29
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On 2010-02-26 13:03:15, *eLliSDee* wrote:
I was thinking....
A lot of producers started DJing before they went into producing music. And i think that having a background as a DJ is a major advantage -compared to starting off producing especially dance music.
I've never DJed, just played with a friend system. and i realized how much is involved.
The advantages is ,i think;
*Getting a feel for mixing frequencies. (the system i fooled around with had Bass, Mid and Highs to mix in both sides of the tracks into) you prob know what i mean
*Getting a sense of build-ups, breaks, sweeps and that kind of thing. the overall impression of what makes a good dancing tune.
anyways, i'm considering to purchase a DJ setup(starter kid). not only to better my skills as hobbyist producer,, i can also generate some extra cash as DJ.
any opinions on this?
how did you start off?
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i disagree with u on that m8!!! u dont have to noe how to dj to produce music!!!i have seen a lot of producers who are very average in djin (skills).... ... but dey r excellent producers.... and it can be vice verse... though u can also be a good producer and a good dj no two ways abt tht....
good luck to u!!!
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 14:40
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and if your aim is to generate cash out of djin den its better u start playin hip hip, rnb,house etc..... in psytrance i doubt it tht u will be able to make enough cash !!!  |
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Pagan
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 15:18
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Only reason I got into production in the first place was because of my DJ background.
I dj'ed full time for 2-3 years in the 90's, then left it for quite a while.
A while back I start remixing songs again, but got frustrated at the limitations, so slowly moved towards production.
I think you're right though, DJ'ing does give you a sense of what works on the dance floor or not.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 15:23
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On 2010-02-26 14:40, elastic_plastic wrote:
and if your aim is to generate cash out of djin den its better u start playin hip hip, rnb,house etc..... in psytrance i doubt it tht u will be able to make enough cash !!!
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yes so simple.But first you have to learn the other methods of using well a turntable and forget the very standard cds beatmatching method which only is used in psytrance.
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 17:55
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On 2010-02-26 14:40, elastic_plastic wrote:
and if your aim is to generate cash out of djin den its better u start playin hip hip, rnb,house etc..... in psytrance i doubt it tht u will be able to make enough cash !!!
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yes so simple.But first you have to learn the other methods of using well a turntable and forget the very standard cds beatmatching method which only is used in psytrance.
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nothing is as easy as it sounds!!! u gotta work hard to achieve somethin and u need tht 1% luck to click.... and in general psytrance music doesent involve a lot of money!!! imm sure ppl agree with me on tht....
i got into the music scene purely coz i luv this music... and if someday i become a decent artist i wouldnt care if ppl dont pay me to perform but those smiles tht i c while playin and meeting like minded ppl with wonderful vibes are as good as a forutne to me  .. but its not the same for all!!! different ppl different views/opinions!!
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Uedi
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 18:51
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On 2010-02-26 13:03:15, *eLliSDee* wrote:
not only to better my skills as hobbyist producer,, i can also generate some extra cash as DJ.
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good luck.. great reason to get into it 
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 19:09
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On 2010-02-26 13:03:15, *eLliSDee* wrote:
I was thinking....
A lot of producers started DJing before they went into producing music. And i think that having a background as a DJ is a major advantage -compared to starting off producing especially dance music.
I've never DJed, just played with a friend system. and i realized how much is involved.
The advantages is ,i think;
*Getting a feel for mixing frequencies. (the system i fooled around with had Bass, Mid and Highs to mix in both sides of the tracks into) you prob know what i mean
*Getting a sense of build-ups, breaks, sweeps and that kind of thing. the overall impression of what makes a good dancing tune.
anyways, i'm considering to purchase a DJ setup(starter kid). not only to better my skills as hobbyist producer,, i can also generate some extra cash as DJ.
any opinions on this?
how did you start off?
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I don't think its DJ'ing per se as a skill that is helpful in production. If you listen a lot to psytrance you'll know when to have breaks and stuff. Rather, I think its because DJ's train their ears and so they can learn production pretty fast later on. First years of production for me boils down to training my ears, as I have never been a DJ. The production techniques themselves can be learned quickly.
Instead of DJ'ing, I've focused on playing the piano on the side.. I'm convinced that being a better keyboardist will be helpful for my productions. |
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danieLs@n
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 20:12
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I think people are missing the point of elisdee.
A very important part ( if not the most important)of being a dj is paying attention at what keeps a dancefloor moving, what exites them, what calms them.
If you are aware of that, you can use that DJ knowledge to create your own tunes that will create the emotion you want them to feel, that is exactly what music production is all about IMO
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 21:14
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On 2010-02-26 19:09, Inner Demon wrote:
Instead of DJ'ing, I've focused on playing the piano on the side.. I'm convinced that being a better keyboardist will be helpful for my productions.
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i'm sure it will.
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 21:35
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On 2010-02-26 20:12, danieLs@n wrote:
I think people are missing the point of elisdee.
A very important part ( if not the most important)of being a dj is paying attention at what keeps a dancefloor moving, what exites them, what calms them.
If you are aware of that, you can use that DJ knowledge to create your own tunes that will create the emotion you want them to feel, that is exactly what music production is all about IMO
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yeah,
as DJ you probably get a good sence of what works good together. and what works well on a dancefloor.
Also when you've been DJing for a couple of years, I imagine you've probably developed a good ear for mixin frequencies. -which might help when producing. i imaging that a DJ would have a keener sense when it comes to things like mixing track groups togther. eg. drums, pads, fx ect.
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 21:44
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On 2010-02-26 15:23, TimeTraveller wrote:
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On 2010-02-26 14:40, elastic_plastic wrote:
and if your aim is to generate cash out of djin den its better u start playin hip hip, rnb,house etc..... in psytrance i doubt it tht u will be able to make enough cash !!!
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yes so simple.But first you have to learn the other methods of using well a turntable and forget the very standard cds beatmatching method which only is used in psytrance.
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i'd love to learn turntables using vinyls but in this day and age it is becoming like a lost art.
plus, im on a tight budget and finding good music on vinyl is a drag.
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Sanathana
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 21:58
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If we are talking about psytrance here then I strongly believe that not all psytrance (irrespective of what BPM it is), is for dancing.
In fact, some pure psytrance which is psychedelic to the literal meaning of the word itself is not dance-floor friendly.
but yes if your aim is to produce dance-floor-friendly psytrance then knowing the crowd's reaction will help you in producing. But then again, its logical that if a long build-up ends with a bang where the kick, bass, hihats and the like start flowing all together, chances are the crowd will groove or jump to it.....
In short I dont think you need to be a DJ to produce psychedelic trance or just plain music......
Just my thoughts
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pr0fane
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Posted : Feb 26, 2010 23:40
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I was (and still is) a DJ for many years before seriously getting into production, and I think it has helped me with my music. I don't think you will become a better musician because you've been DJ'ing, but for electronic dance music I can definitely see how it can help that you're already in that technical state of mind; having a good background knowledge about when and where buildups will sound good, general progression in a track, a bit knowledge about EQ (although bass/mid/treble is very basic ) and the likes.
I think learning the piano will be a much better way to start though, and if you're already well into production, I also think that'll help you a lot more. I DJ because it's fun, challenging and I also consider it a serious craft and artform just like making music - doing it for money in the psytrance scene is only possible for a handful of DJ's DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
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