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Distinguishing different styles
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UIU
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Posted : Mar 5, 2004 10:19
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Could someone explain to me what are the differences between progressive, fullon, minimal, etc. so that I will know what kind of music I am doing? It would help if you also used an example of an artist. Thanks |
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UIU
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Posted : Mar 5, 2004 12:23
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Are there any rules of thumb/characteristics to distinguish them? |
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Mar 5, 2004 17:18
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As SuperGlue said, its very subjective.....
And its also quite personal, what you call full-on other may call other thing...I don't really care about styles, I just care about quality and enjoyment I get from listening to it, thats what matters in the end....
Just think of what the names mean...a minimal track won't be full of stuff, as the name implies, and a full-on track will be full of sounds and fast  and so on...
But I listened to your track UIU - Triptamine, in my definitions it would go for melodic full-on, same for the music I make  |
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solipt1c
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Posted : Mar 5, 2004 20:14
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"Are there any rules of thumb/characteristics to distinguish them?"
Yes.
But better to write a track then try and use these rules to figure out how best to describe it, then learn the rules and use them to figure out what track to write
As I'm sure youknow
I have the same problem really, I know SFA about psy really. I know what full on is, and minimal is pretty obvious, but i never have a good idea of "progressive" (seems like in psytrance this means something totally different to "progressive breaks" or "progressive house" or whatever). and i have no real idea of the endless sub-genres that get invented.
so after a while i stopped caring
then after a bit longer i stopped making it haha |
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jon
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Posted : Mar 5, 2004 21:51
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I dont think 'minimal' is really a genre in the same way that fullon and progressive are. I mean all the artists Superglue says are minimal I say are progressive.
For me there is fullon and progressive, and stuff in between.
'Minimal' is just an adjective like 'fast' or 'green'.
E.g. you might get a compilation called 'Israeli Fullon trance' or you might get a compilation 'Greates Hits from Swedish Progressive trance' but I dont think there are any compilations like 'The very best of Minimal Trance.'
But maybe I am wrong?
These words can drive you round the bend, but they ARE useful. If someone comes up and says 'dude, I heard the most killer track in the universe' then it is quite useful to be able to ask 'is it progressive or fullon?' etc... so these kinds of discussion are not as stoopid as they seem at first...
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EYB
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Posted : Mar 5, 2004 21:57
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Yes, but progressive is also only an adjective, or not?
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Katapult
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Posted : Mar 6, 2004 00:05
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Thought this was a good quote:
"It’s a "music" album.
Genres are for librarians. "
- Ott
You can find the whole interview here...
http://www.psyreviews.com/features/otttbt.htm
My only point here is that you shouldn't worry about what genere something is, just listen to a lot of different stuff and by comparison things will become clear. |
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solipt1c
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Posted : Mar 6, 2004 13:50
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well yeah i treat "full-on" and "progressive" just as adjectives as well.
Ott definitely knows what he's on about. I'm not one of these people who is on a big 'genres suck' because ultimately labels do come in handy sometimes. At the same time tho all I want is "music albums" , if its a "minimal album" or a "full-on album" i wont be interested in it  |
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Amygdala
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Posted : Mar 7, 2004 20:51
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I always thought "progressive" meant the form of a trackl. One that starts out in a certain mood, and pregresses slowly without to many breaks and weird style-shifts. Where the progression is the journey, not the individual sounds... But hey, that' just my impression.
In general, music is called progressive when it's "new" - in lack of a term for a new sound, people call it progressive... People with new radical ideas (political, theoritical or whatever) are called progressive. But for me, progressive in electronic music is the above |
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Mike A
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Posted : Mar 9, 2004 01:45
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In today's psytrance (or not psy ) vocabulary, progressive is meant to describe the style of acts like Vibrasphere, Sensient, Son Kite, etc. Some may call it minimal, I'd like to call 2001ish european trance minimal, which sucked, imo
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FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Mar 9, 2004 03:08
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On 2004-03-07 20:51, Amygdala wrote:
I always thought "progressive" meant the form of a trackl. One that starts out in a certain mood, and pregresses slowly without to many breaks and weird style-shifts. Where the progression is the journey, not the individual sounds... But hey, that' just my impression.
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yeah, thats my view of it also |
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Kitnam
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Posted : Mar 9, 2004 14:43
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today some people explain their music-orientations with chimera-words like: tech-fullon, progressive-fullon, mornig-progressive, psychedelic progressive house, proggyhouse, psyhouse, nightproggy, demontrance, techhouse, techtrance, psytechno, neo fullon, full off (?), fuller than full... , minimal techno, tekkno, tekkkno (even harder than tekno) blablabla...
so you see, we have so many different-style fusions overall, that the people are completly confused how to describe an innovative song, which not sounds like the 1000 other songs beside of it.
what does i mean with it:
to construct a new style with some parts of 2 or more different styles is no big challange, its getting normal if you like to do individual music, so just do what you like to do - without too much copying the music we allready have released, if you do this way, your music will be automaticly innovative.
its not easy?
"[...]no one said it would be easy[...]" (sheril c.)  |
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zooter
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Posted : Mar 9, 2004 15:32
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On 2004-03-09 14:43, Kitnam wrote:
today some people explain their music-orientations with chimera-words like: tech-fullon, progressive-fullon, mornig-progressive, psychedelic progressive house, proggyhouse, psyhouse, nightproggy, demontrance, techhouse, techtrance, psytechno, neo fullon, full off (?), fuller than full... , minimal techno, tekkno, tekkkno (even harder than tekno) blablabla...
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lol 
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