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Disharmonic parts in music (counterpoints)?
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Conny
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 12:11:33
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Hi Often end up with my songs that they are often very clean, in tune(to perfect) so that they sound boring.But yesterday when i was working on a song i noticed that the overall impression of the song got much better when i changed a part an let it play out of tune,in the song a similar part was playing the same part but in tune.So my question is what is it important to use (disharmonic parts) in a track to make it sound better and more interessting ?
These parts which are out of tune is it the same thing as counterpoints ?
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x-rayz
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 12:40
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master bud
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 13:02
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It's not uncommon to use tones that are out of scale. These non-scale tones can act like 'spice' in the kitchen: a few may makes wonder but too much and your food is ruined.
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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 13:24
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+1 x-rayz
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ufolog
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master bud
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+1 
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nick
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bukboy
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Posted : Feb 16, 2009 08:48
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@ Conny - All that counterpoint is, is a methodology that, when followed, allows you to interweave (or play together) two (or more) melodies in such a way that they don't clash with too much dissonance.
@ Xray - that's a really cool way to put it, but doesn't really strike any intuition chords.
Its really useful when you want to use melodies from DIFFERENT scales at the same time. very interesting effect that actually makes you sound like a musician.
Additionally, when u understand it, you will have additional composition tools, that you pick up on the way and be generally far more competent with music.
About the untuned notes - I think that your brain is rebelling against the bare basic music theory "baby tunes" minor and major scales that are used as teaching aids.(at least I hope so) Even in classical times composers, who did use those scales, would modulate in and out of key for interest. I think its really good you've discovered the value of this aspect. You should look into counterpoint, it will teach you that both classical harmony and melody are just crutches, and only the beginning of what you can do with music. |
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orgytime
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Posted : Feb 16, 2009 10:35
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On 2009-02-16 08:48, bukboy wrote:
@ Conny - All that counterpoint is, is a methodology that, when followed, allows you to interweave (or play together) two (or more) melodies in such a way that they don't clash with too much dissonance.
@ Xray - that's a really cool way to put it, but doesn't really strike any intuition chords.
Its really useful when you want to use melodies from DIFFERENT scales at the same time. very interesting effect that actually makes you sound like a musician.
Additionally, when u understand it, you will have additional composition tools, that you pick up on the way and be generally far more competent with music.
About the untuned notes - I think that your brain is rebelling against the bare basic music theory "baby tunes" minor and major scales that are used as teaching aids.(at least I hope so) Even in classical times composers, who did use those scales, would modulate in and out of key for interest. I think its really good you've discovered the value of this aspect. You should look into counterpoint, it will teach you that both classical harmony and melody are just crutches, and only the beginning of what you can do with music.
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um, i think he didnt meant untuned notes, more a note whats out of scale.
think about the oriental music, the got 24notes per octave i think^^ thats sick...
@Conny
maybe you should get your eyes to other scales like "harmonic minor scale" there are those "forbidden" notes included, and you will get a really mystic feeling.
little tip, just mark the notes in the start of your miditrack, that you always can check fast if you play the right notes of your new scale (you also can say that the marked notes are now the new white buttons of your piano  )
cheers
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Spycht
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Posted : Feb 16, 2009 21:13
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Hundreds of music theory professors are rolling over in their graves.
@conny - If you're taking your midi pattern and simply transposing all of the notes down several steps then no, what you're talking about is not counterpoint.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 00:01
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You could try experimenting with using chords arranged vertically in midi editing windows using notes that aren't necessarily in the horizontally-progressing note sequence scale.
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