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hoffman angels
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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 02:01
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On 2004-04-07 13:22, Elysium Project wrote:
What an open mind you got candy. You should get out some more instead of sitting in front of a computer sounding like a old woman judging the youngsters.
I am so dead tired of all the name calling in this forum. Some people in this forum are worse that the so-called Arsim's - they are racists... 1000 times worse in my opinion 
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funny,i see you here more then any one. whats arsim any way,thats an old story,just groow up. its only trance music
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Kaz
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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 15:17
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Every time the word 'arsim' is used, it is not necessarily a negative connotation! The same PC hypocracy in the US where only African Americans are alowed to use 'nigger' without being called racist, only gay people can use 'fag' without being dubbed closed minded and so on is something EP successfully applied to this situation as well. BUT, he is not giving people the credit they deserve - that they actually thought about the words they use. Every time someone tries to give a point that contradicts the viewpoint that this thread is racist - IT IS NOT. Appearantly, some people forgot what this thread is about long ago.
Sure, it's really cool to have a sexual vibe in a party - that is the 'classic' clubber code, and that is what the younger crowd tries to follow, because for some people, the reason for coming to parties is being cool in a party. The pictures from the mentioned party are first of all intended to focus on the sexual vibe and not on the musical one, as the musical vibe cannot be transfered in picture format, but still transmit that this vibe was there.
It has been my long standing ideal that listening to psytrance music is first of all a solo experience, comparable to meditation more than to the hedonistic expressions of the club scene, and being one that was in many parties that did go by this ideal (as Candy has), it is offensive to me that the vibe of such parties is tainted by hedonism rather than being on the spiritual side. I believe this is what Candy called disgusting, not the specific people, as this seems to be the point of the main meaning of the text. This is not about little girls kissing, people starting fights, or 'bad crowd' (all of them being symptoms) and other such things that are usually opposed to getting into the music and becoming a part of the party (the party not being about hormones or looking good or fighting).
As I said earlier, this is part of a major change in the psytrance scene, a change that has been happening for years but that has shifted gears in recent years. What this thread is about is the decline of the spiritual vibe in favor of a commercial one in psytrance parties - or at least it is the logical expansion of the thread, as the parties are deciding the trends of the music and not vice versa (for the last few years at least) - the parties where people come for the music and for a spiritual experience are becoming less and less frequent, and the only thing left to fix this is a rather famous quote in this forum: "be the change you want to see in the world", and this time, sadly adding "because there is no other choice". http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222 |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 15:51
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Come on now kaz. It's too easy to sit there and justify her, in my opinion, still very judgemental and yes somehow racistic posting with an excuse that she only meant that it's discusting that the parties has turned hedonism (weird term to use by the way). I suggest you read her post again mate I dont see much in her posting that reflect your ideas and points. It's just too easy excuses from your side to make what she wrote ok. |
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Kaz
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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 18:09
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On the contrary, that's what I understood from what she read (even on second and third reading) - different people have different ways of expression, and not all of us check all our words for double meanings.
She said she's been going to loads of trance parties, and yes, there's a commercial crowd there that's doing more stuff for pose ("pauza" was used instead) than for love of the music. And yes, a lot of arsim are more about pose than about music when in the party, because whatever you say about arsim, freaks they aren't (they'll always admit as much). She phrased herself in a very subjective way, but I think very clearly - she was talking about the commercial feeling (and yes, she clearly stated that), and was quite shocked at it.
I agree with her on parties becoming more commercial (even though I am not shocked by it), it's a valid point that should be made many many many times, because the spiritual vibe is supposed to still be there.
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 19:21
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dNETv2
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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 21:11
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On 2004-04-21 11:21, The 8th Sign wrote:
E.P yawn...yawn...yawn
go back to psynews and argue with your best buddy O.A and the rest of your forum buddies who just love to react to any post that does not agree with you..i find you to be just as racist as the so called above racisim you go on about as what i have learnt over the last three years on browsing forums of trance is you seem to always have an arguement people and espically with israeli's and americans..little bit of racisim in all of us E.P just remember that...
and before you write your comeback like you always do think first and go write a new track & album..if it's not this racism crap you are bagging pc users who make music and it goes on and on and on..just imagine how much you could of achieved in life if you didn't spend so much time on the net complaining all the time...it's boring, find a new angle..look in the mirror and ask yourself are you so pure and moral..no your not i have seen you be so many times, so racist on the net..man just do a search on psynews over americans and sept 11 etc..
you sound like a tired old man who has lost the spirit so move on to the old folks home and complain about the good old days...
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hah! So true... EP, quit trying to win EVERY SINGLE stupid internet forum arguement and make some more music like you used to. Its been a while. |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 21:21
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Moderators please make a new rule that artist are not allowed to have an opinion and that they only are allowed to enter the forum when they have a new track ready. After all they are only good at making music and should restrain themselves from writing nonsense in forum's like this. |
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 22:12
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I agree with you KAz that trance-music is in a way a mono-experience. But trance-culture is a social event. When I share a joint at a party, i share it because I like to be social. If it was a solo-trip, I would merely smoke my own joint close my eyes and touch the sky. But I love the sharing trance with my fellow trancers.
And I like sexuality at parties, it makes it all that more interesting.
"Love is a way of life"
(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna) |
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dNETv2
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Posted : Apr 26, 2004 06:03
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Oh come on now EP. Just chill out, and don't take stupid arguments like this so personally. |
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manu
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Posted : Apr 26, 2004 08:02
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oh thanks for links .. kissing girls turn me on  more links please.. |
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Te_nTe
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Posted : Apr 26, 2004 08:53
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Djnetv - leave EP to do what he wanna do.If he writing music or not is none of your bussiness.As I said before look at the mirror and then think what you post - will solve many handwrting.
kaz - you made a whole story that not realy have too much with what Ravergirl said.
you all smart here when u talk but i bet you was all happy seeing those girls kissing if they were right now near you - so cmon lets shorten this thread out.
ppl posting things but who really needs to post is sitting quite and i dont know why
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Candy
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Posted : Apr 26, 2004 09:47
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Thank you Kaz for explaining what I meant (you did it perfectly). EP is just too eager to look for fights out of boredom / frustration.
Majority is never right!
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nobody4
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Posted : Apr 26, 2004 11:09
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I still think that Candy & Kaz, and all the ones bitching over the "death of the vibe", are wrong here:
This picture was taken in the bloody PACHA, in a rave that was intended to be commercial and directed at a wide crowd, totaly unlike a "true" (bullshit) underground psy-trance party.
By twisting your nose (in discust or out of self importance) and saying this is a "psy-trance" party just because of Raj & Ari you are damaging the precious pure 'scene' - you are actualy saying that because these artists are related to psy-trance it is inface a pure psy-trance party and ppl who are not pure trancers are not allowed there.
Well, how would new blood flow into the scene if they are not allowed to experience this kind of music (which I personaly dont perceive as psychodelic, but whatever...)? Dont you think its nice to see ppl who used to think Sacha was god get buttfucked by Raj and his 'ultra-psy' sounds? Not all ppl were born with longies on their room walls and not all are native to the Goa way, but at least in commercial parties like this they get the first glimps of this music. Who knows? maybe in a few years these 2 lovely chicks will be visiting Goa Gil's house in India?...
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 26, 2004 11:44
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On 2004-04-26 09:47, RaverGirl wrote:
Thank you Kaz for explaining what I meant (you did it perfectly). EP is just too eager to look for fights out of boredom / frustration.
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It's too cheap bought to turn around 360 degrees and try to make it look like you meant something different when kaz conviently give you a alternative way out
No matter what you want people to believe your headline and your original post speak for itself.
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