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Barmalei
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 15:49
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Yuli for a minister of culture ... and may be sports and education ....
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spliffnik
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 16:16
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i see both sides here...
I live in Japan, and we have our version of arsims here too. Little different but still the same... IMO they look rediculous, not compatible with the trance vibe - they all wear matching Louis Vuitton bags, talk on their cell phones on the dancefloor, go to look cool, some get in fights, etc. Many of them do kill the spirit, and make the party hoplelessly commercial.
But as EP said you cannot judge all who look like those ppl. Judging someone by looks is indeed close minded. in the past I have been dancing next to someone who looks like one of the japanese versions of arsim, and started talking to them (or they staryted talking to me). Surprisingly, many were very very friendly and nice. Taught me not to rule out ppl no matter how stupid I may think they look.
Tough issue- on the one hand, there are ppl who ruin the scene, and on the other, you cannot judge ppl who look like this. I see Ravergirls frustration at what is happening in the scene (almost all of us do, I think), but judging by looks in a pictures is not cool. Right some of them display actions not just looks, but is kissing a bad thing???
I just think for better or worse, these 'new' trancers have arrived, and rather than trying to exclude them or judge them or whatever, maybe we can all try to help them see the Light!
I think actions can warrant critical judgement, but physical appearance should not.
-bOOm-
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Acidhive
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 17:03
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Well, that's the (psy)trance scene for you... I don't go to the parties anyway, I just listen my psytrance at home and enjoy it there where I don't have to get upset about 14 year old girls hitting it off on the stage or something. For most people's standards I would be considered boring as hell, I don't drink, don't do drugs... I'm just in this scene because I find it to be great music!! I just wished there were people like me... Haven't met them here in The Netherlands anyway...
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TiMMY
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 17:15
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Welcome to the club, Acidhive  |
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akire
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 17:30
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Pictures on the web is the real topic here - When at a party one gets a little more of an exhibitionist than your average day, specialy if there are camera's around. At the end of the day fun was intended and in the picture I saw nothing else but fun. I totally acknowledge that this is my perceptions only!
Eish! Trance to me has always been abt trance-for-mation. Allow transformation to happen at everyone pace, methodology and space (that personal wall around, how close will u allow others to be)and sometimes in that space I dont want to be part of others jol only mine. What has always work wonders for me is, smile acknowledge ur fellow party go-er and walk
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krelm
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 17:39
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On 2004-04-07 13:52, helen wrote:
No point to cry over spilled milk, I think the best is to accept the change and enjoy the music wherever it is.
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That seems to be the only worthwhile comment in this entire post.
People are constantly complaining that the spirit is gone, the vibe is gone, the plur is gone, it has become too commercial, the new crowd doesn't understand, etc <insert gripe here>.
No shit sherlock!!
What scene (musical or other form of art) has not been eventually commercialized? What scene or culture hasn't eventually become dominated by "youngsters" or other people who don't know what it was originally about? Did people really naively expect these things to never happen with the psytrance scene? It is inevitable. Any scene - especially one based on music - is bound to change its face, its crowd, and its values over the years. For better or for worse. Psytrance is no more excluded than punk, hip-hop, rock 'n roll or anything else.
One can sit around and complain (often about parties they didn't even attend), or they can figure out what their niche is and just go with it. If the current state of the trance scene isn't making ya happy, then why not spend your time & energy finding (or creating) what does make you happy? When I find myself complaining a lot about something, that is always my cue that I should re-examine what I truly enjoy.
On the original post - I looked at the pictures, and I didn't really see what was so extraordinarily disgusting. Yes, it looked more like Ibiza than the Voov, but that was also a hugely commercialized party - it is to be expected at events such as that. Are *all* parties in Israel like that? Are there absolutely no smaller more personal parties as an alternative?
The past is the past - look fondly on it, but don't dwell on it.
And about the whole arsim/racism issue, I'm not going to touch that one with a 100-foot pole. 
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russ
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 17:40
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in japan we have full-on trance parties and progressive trance parties. didn't know you guys had Lolita trance parties over there! the girls are getting younger here, but not that young!
we don't need that in Japan, that's for sure, or we'd have all the old salarymen salivating on the dance floor with their cameras...a rather psychedelic image actually, when you think about it from a certain twisted perspective;) |
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NeutroN
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 18:09
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EP, its not being racist man its just that things shouldnt be this way its like a heavy metal dude at a reggae party and vice versa it doesnt make sense does it?
Some people don't go to parties just because of the music have you stop to think about that? they might go just for the simple fact that it is fashionable to go to such parties.
*back to the topic
from those pictures the only thing I have to question myself is psytrance pop? or is pop psytrance?
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 18:23
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On 2004-04-07 17:39, krelm wrote:
People are constantly complaining that the spirit is gone, the vibe is gone, the plur is gone, it has become too commercial, the new crowd doesn't understand, etc <insert gripe here>.
No shit sherlock!!
What scene (musical or other form of art) has not been eventually commercialized? What scene or culture hasn't eventually become dominated by "youngsters" or other people who don't know what it was originally about? Did people really naively expect these things to never happen with the psytrance scene? It is inevitable. Any scene - especially one based on music - is bound to change its face, its crowd, and its values over the years. For better or for worse. Psytrance is no more excluded than punk, hip-hop, rock 'n roll or anything else.
One can sit around and complain (often about parties they didn't even attend), or they can figure out what their niche is and just go with it. If the current state of the trance scene isn't making ya happy, then why not spend your time & energy finding (or creating) what does make you happy? When I find myself complaining a lot about something, that is always my cue that I should re-examine what I truly enjoy.
On the original post - I looked at the pictures, and I didn't really see what was so extraordinarily disgusting. Yes, it looked more like Ibiza than the Voov, but that was also a hugely commercialized party - it is to be expected at events such as that. Are *all* parties in Israel like that? Are there absolutely no smaller more personal parties as an alternative?
The past is the past - look fondly on it, but don't dwell on it.
And about the whole arsim/racism issue, I'm not going to touch that one with a 100-foot pole.
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Krelm...Your Right!!!! i mean it!!
cheers.
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Insomniac
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 19:23
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I really dont understand why a true spy trancer has to dress diferent do things diferent.
Im 27 years old im a lawyer i dont dress like a hippie a live a normal life the only diference with my friend here is that i really loveeeeeeee this music.
But it would really be ugly if i went to Isreal and wanted to go to a party and evrybody looked at me bad just beacuase a dress diferent. |
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Anak
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 19:50
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aje
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 19:54
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krelm - Word! ( i love saying that,i do it on every occasion i can, it always seems to imply a very deep understanding, and i feel very cool!!)
anyway, as I mentioned in some other thread i was a 15 year old candyraver with blue hair, orange clothes and a big ass attitude when i went to my first trance party(no drugs though), every ones young at some point, dont look down on them! these kids seem a lot more excited than your average jaded 28 year old "been herre since 1993" goa-hippie, who only looks to the "goodold days"
and i like girls kissing, girls should kiss a lot more. and by the way, these girls look a lot hotter than hairy armpit neo-hippie "Goaletten" (the german slang word for goa´girls).
EP and Yuli, didnt I see on some top that you did a track together? must be some crazy post nuclear vibe in that track, judging by how much you love each other
Check out my album: http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/gay-satanic-hippie-tiefenrausch |
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epsilon_iridani
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 19:58
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Wow!! seems like this is a topic thats being discussed on both sides of the equator!
I think that its well cool that people are turning to psychedelic - i think maybe folks in the scene right now should ask themselves "how did i get into this scene?" and then apply that answer to other people who are just discovering psychedelic trance themselves.
if the whole world listened to pure psychedelic - the whole world would be in love!!!
tralalalalalala!
bom!!
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Yuli
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 20:19
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Aje actually the track we did is chunky 134 groover full of lovely melodies just made for 14 year old girlies to kiss and make all ov us old geezers drool all over
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aje
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 20:29
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shweeeeet, you bring the music, i bring the 14 year old girlies, and then we all got something to watch
anyway, sounds cool BLT and EP at 134, i really like your slower more proggy stuff like "the slapper".
which gives me another nice thought, 14 year old girls grooving along while kissing and slapping each other on the butt... yummy
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