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demoniac
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Posted : Jun 25, 2009 02:55
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 25, 2009 03:37
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Oscillator -> produces repeating waveform.
Waveform -> one cycle is like one revolution of a circle, and is divided into 360 degrees.
Retrigger Off -> oscillator produces continuous tone irrespective of when notes are played. Notes therefore start at different times within the waveform, depending on when they are triggered.
Retrigger On -> oscillator restarts waveform from the same point each time a note is played.
Phase (degrees) -> sets point on waveform from which the oscillator starts playback when a note is played.
So you can see that sampling a single bass note and making a bassline from it, is similar to a bassline playing with Retrigger On; the sound will be consistent from note to note. With Retrigger Off, the attack of each note is subtly different because each note starts at a different point in the oscillator waveform.
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piko_bianko
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Posted : Jun 25, 2009 03:46
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retrigger is a function on some synths.
while your sound might have even a slight lfo modulation frequency or envelope etc, the retrigger function says to the synth that with every new note the cycle of lfo starts from point 0.
so while a sound can be really live during it's decay and sustain it will always begin being the same. ideal for bass sounds.
example (using strict music terminology):
- we hit a sustained note on a synth with lfo on cut filter.
-it will sound like: jaaoouuiiee
-now if we hit multiple notes in 16ths or 8ths duration
-we will get: ja ja jo jo ju ju ji ji je je
as the lfo keeps cycling
-WITH retrigger sustained note will sound just like above: jaaoouuiiee
-but in 8ths or 16ths it will always sound like: ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja
depending the length of the note lfo will cycle as long as we allow it to
funky like: ja ja ja jaaoouu ja ja ja ja jaaoouuiiee ja ja etc.
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makus
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Posted : Jun 25, 2009 03:52
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On 2009-06-24 17:05, disco hooligans wrote:
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On 2009-06-24 16:58, makus wrote:
to me the most important thing for _fast-psy-bassline_ is retrigger. if synth has no retrigger just sample notes. it will give you constant levels and the notes gonna sound solid.
for other types of basslines, in techno, or progressive, i would leave oscilators flow. it gives really nice warm and live feeling.
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That's a thing that needs talking about. People didn't really used to sample bass notes before that domestic post, yet their basslines, sounded fine.
And why shouldn't someone leave the oscillators flow and give trance basslines a warm and nice feeling as well?
we have compressors and we are triggering a synth, which has a far smaller dynamic range than a bass guitar, even with the oscillators running free...
are we the victims of what some big artist said to the point where we absolutely have to start our bass synth oscillator, from the same point of the cycle, without even asking why?
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sorry, didnt read that topic. i found it when it was 11 pages old. didnt have time yet.
all what i had to say is: if you need a fast psy bass (which you dont like) you better turn the retrgigger on. otherwise each bass note will sound different from previous one. and that's what you don't want in this case.
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makus
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Posted : Jun 25, 2009 03:55
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thanks Colin and Piko for elaborating. I thought everyone knows it. vangurad has really good example of retrigger.
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the attack of each note is subtly different because each note starts at a different point in the oscillator waveform.
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well, not so subtle to me.
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makus
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Posted : Jun 25, 2009 04:01
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again, from Vanguard manual: "If “retrig” is switched on, the oscillators will restart when a new note is played – otherwise they are free running, it means the phase will not be reset."
thats it. if you want constantly sounding lead or bass, or any other sound you retrig the oscillator. otherwise the sound flows. use both!;)
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 25, 2009 17:01
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On 2009-06-25 03:52, makus wrote:
all what i had to say is: if you need a fast psy bass (which you dont like) you better turn the retrgigger on. otherwise each bass note will sound different from previous one. and that's what you don't want in this case.
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But I do like 16th basslines and 8 out of 10 tracks of our first album, have 1/16th bassline patterns. Its just the whole static bass sound that you get...I am not saying its bad, its solid and consistent, but it not "moving" and as organic as a bassline pattern that is played by a synth with free running oscillators. Granted that some people don't like organic sounding basslines with a real motion in their texture, its just strange that everybody just does the same thing.
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jizy
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Posted : Jun 27, 2009 01:40
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thanks for replies
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Elad
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On 2009-06-23 17:42:15, jizy wrote:
other than keeping the peaks level, what are the disadvantages?? cheers
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usualy it might bring out alot of dirty mid freqs.
other then that im into it even on group of the kick bass better
try urs compressors with the right settings it sounds better then waves i reken.. still preserve the dynamic feeling
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PoM
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Posted : Jun 27, 2009 18:32
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On 2009-06-23 17:49, Colin OOOD wrote:
It can harm the attack of each note. It can add distortion.
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+1 and distorion could be raise later in the mix (using compression) or at mastering stage .
advantage:if it sound good ,just trust your ears . can work better than compressors cause limiters are designed to have very fast attack and realse with the less distortion (lot of plugins compressor distort with fast settings so you have to slow them for less distortion but you loose punch ) |
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sp0ok
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Posted : Jun 28, 2009 03:04
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On 2009-06-25 03:46, piko_bianko wrote:
retrigger is a function on some synths.
while your sound might have even a slight lfo modulation frequency or envelope etc, the retrigger function says to the synth that with every new note the cycle of lfo starts from point 0.
so while a sound can be really live during it's decay and sustain it will always begin being the same. ideal for bass sounds.
example (using strict music terminology):
- we hit a sustained note on a synth with lfo on cut filter.
-it will sound like: jaaoouuiiee
-now if we hit multiple notes in 16ths or 8ths duration
-we will get: ja ja jo jo ju ju ji ji je je
as the lfo keeps cycling
-WITH retrigger sustained note will sound just like above: jaaoouuiiee
-but in 8ths or 16ths it will always sound like: ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja
depending the length of the note lfo will cycle as long as we allow it to
funky like: ja ja ja jaaoouu ja ja ja ja jaaoouuiiee ja ja etc.
ps. i love isratrance at nights.
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This seems to explain it for me. Time to go try it out. |
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