| Author
|
Digital Sales Taking Over.
|
demoniac
Demoniac Insomniac
Started Topics :
85
Posts :
1281
Posted : Nov 8, 2009 22:16
|
|
Ket Sci
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
10
Posts :
80
Posted : Nov 8, 2009 22:28
|
i hope the labels won't stop releasing the albums on cd ... it takes the fun out of buying something if you just get a file on to your hard drive to store them on some folder ...
... call me old fashioned but i love to buy the plastic on plastic covered in plastic to store them on my shelf ... even if i listen to everyday music on my pc because its more practical and just use cd's for the cdjs ... but its much more rewarding waiting for the box of cd's that come every month in the post than paying to download some files when i can download them for free ...
  reclaimtheswastika.com |
|
|
|
Upavas
Upavas
Started Topics :
150
Posts :
3315
Posted : Nov 9, 2009 05:52
|
I think digital sales will bring the psy scene a lot more exposure on the long run, not only because people can decide for themselves which songs they want. Then there is the environmental impact cd's bring, certainly not good either. As far as the loophole is concerned, that I am sure will remain for now.
Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
http://timecode.bandcamp.com
http://upavas.com
http://soundcloud.com/upavas-1/ |
|
|
|
braininavat
Started Topics :
5
Posts :
233
Posted : Nov 9, 2009 05:56
|
Quote:
|
On 2009-11-08 21:08, Stregone wrote:
Anyway what's the meaning of printing 1000 cd's if you sell 500
|
|
If you only expect to sell 500 cds..then you don't print 1000..you print 500..or hell you print 400 and create an artifical shortage and sell them for more..
To me there is still this feeling in the scene of a label coming along like Blue Room with money to burn from being back by a major label. Well the major labels have no money and there is no more Blue Room. Your not going to make a career of selling cds anymore..Still just using that link about you would be investing $500 bucks with the potential to make $2500...Not a whole lot of business you can start with 500 bucks and a 500% profit margin, that doesn't even factor in the money that can be made from gigs.
Also I would do some research before using that link I posted. That literally took me me 2 minutes to find on google, im sure there are better deals than that.
Instead of gimmicks and complaining people in this scene just need to learn basic business tactics a little better.
|
|
|
|
demoniac
Demoniac Insomniac
Started Topics :
85
Posts :
1281
Posted : Nov 9, 2009 11:56
|
Quote:
|
On 2009-11-09 05:56, braininavat wrote:
Quote:
|
On 2009-11-08 21:08, Stregone wrote:
Anyway what's the meaning of printing 1000 cd's if you sell 500
|
|
If you only expect to sell 500 cds..then you don't print 1000..you print 500..or hell you print 400 and create an artifical shortage and sell them for more..
To me there is still this feeling in the scene of a label coming along like Blue Room with money to burn from being back by a major label. Well the major labels have no money and there is no more Blue Room. Your not going to make a career of selling cds anymore..Still just using that link about you would be investing $500 bucks with the potential to make $2500...Not a whole lot of business you can start with 500 bucks and a 500% profit margin, that doesn't even factor in the money that can be made from gigs.
Also I would do some research before using that link I posted. That literally took me me 2 minutes to find on google, im sure there are better deals than that.
Instead of gimmicks and complaining people in this scene just need to learn basic business tactics a little better.
|
|
too bad that the company is from usa bro, th shipping to europe will be a lot of money, and also the printing in europe for 500 disks is around 1000 eu that is much more then 500 $
VA - Spiritual Science out now!
http://www.activemeditationmusic.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=703&category_id=6&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=7 |
|
|
|
Whatist Rance
Started Topics :
3
Posts :
274
Posted : Nov 9, 2009 14:15
|
Quote:
|
On 2009-11-09 05:56, braininavat wrote:
Instead of gimmicks and complaining people in this scene just need to learn basic business tactics a little better.
|
|
+1...
I understand all the worries, but I also think that you have to play the game with its rules... Be original, do a great job, and you`ll get where you want... Oh, is it hard? Make it easier... No business is easy... If you have a good idea, the right tools and u got what its need, u will be sucessfully. |
|
|
|
TranceVisuals
TranceVisuals
Started Topics :
23
Posts :
743
Posted : Nov 9, 2009 15:08
|
[quote]
On 2009-11-09 11:56, demoniac wrote:
Quote:
|
too bad that the company is from usa bro, th shipping to europe will be a lot of money, and also the printing in europe for 500 disks is around 1000 eu that is much more then 500 $
|
|
Okay after literally 5secs googling - 500 Cds
http://www.wr4multimedia.co.uk/?gclid=CKTA49b9_Z0CFQdl4wod21Ipqg
Which is £600 inc VAT or around 720 Euros.
I don't know where you do your business, but I would suggest shopping around....
Costs for physical media are soo cheap, that really there is no reason not to offer it. Especially if you are a performing artist, as it is piss easy to get rid of 100 Cds at a £6 at gigs, and then you are into pure profit/covered costs.
And if you ain't pushing over 200 CDs then you ain't doing something right.
www.youtube.com/trancevisuals
2,000,000+ views and counting. |
|
|
|
Freeflow
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
60
Posts :
3709
Posted : Nov 9, 2009 15:46
|
Im with braininavat, TranceVisuals and Whatist Rance!
If you want to be successful you make very limited releases, of course sometimes a bit more expensive to print less but way more interesting...
You can construct business in many ways to make it more appealing...
|
|
|
|
braininavat
Started Topics :
5
Posts :
233
Posted : Nov 9, 2009 17:41
|
I also think because its so cheap to make a cd at this point, that artists have actually over supplied the market.
A good example of this is the art print market. I've bought a few art prints of computer artists even though I already had a nice quality jpg of the art for free..
The difference between an art print and a poster in general though is usually an art print is sold with the promise of a limited run, hand signed and numbered by the artist.
People are willing to pay more for prints than posters because a poster usually implies an unlimited supply. Not that a print is something you will be able to sell for more money in the future but with being limited and hand signed it certainly makes it more special to the buyer.
You print 300 cds, hand signed and number them..if you do happen to sell them all, then too bad customer..you should have bought it sooner, you don't make more. You can then capitalize on that with the next album. Maybe you print 500 for the next album, repeat.
What you don't do is this stupid setup for underground music that we currently have. With massive middle men and the idea in the customers head that they will always be able to get the album at some point in the future...if you clearly state their is limited supply then people will jump on stuff they other wise would not have.
|
|
|
|
TranceVisuals
TranceVisuals
Started Topics :
23
Posts :
743
Posted : Nov 9, 2009 17:49
|
Numbering, hand-signing is something I did for my DVDs (which sold about 200 mostly at gigs, maybe another 50 online about 3 years ago.).
It worked very well, and I intend to do it for my next release.
If someone can be arsed to give me a tenner for DVD, I can be arsed to sign it personally, and give them a numbered limited edition.
www.youtube.com/trancevisuals
2,000,000+ views and counting. |
|
|
|
Freeflow
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
60
Posts :
3709
Posted : Nov 9, 2009 18:09
|
Also to make it even more interesting, the 10 first costumers get something extra...
like i said you can come up with many appealing ideas, but foremost the material on the medium must be appealing 
|
|
|
|
ICCRecs
Insane Chaos Circuit Records
Started Topics :
7
Posts :
95
Posted : Nov 9, 2009 19:23
|
my self if i have to spend my money on music for sure i will spend it on a real physical cd never on a simple digital download but i also know that are people like many mension here that prefer to buy the download so let`s just do both some limited edition of cd`s plus do it avaiable on digital shops for the ones who prefer the download and every one is happy 
------------------------------
http://iccrecords.page.tl/
http://www.myspace.com/iccrecs |
|
|
|
Ascension
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
170
Posts :
3642
Posted : Nov 9, 2009 19:57
|
I assume there's less likelihood to lose money with digital releases, so I see the benefit for labels to use it. Everything is online, no physical stock (no overstock, no need to order more if you sell out of the original order).
I prefer cds though. I think if a label goes digital, they should incorporate other free downloads on their website to drive traffic to it-with the addition of ads for extra revenue (unreleased tracks, live sets, dj sets by label artists, etc).
Maybe some online sales could be coupled with printable labels for the cd? I hate having to write all the tracks down and it's nice to have cds with art as well. http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
www.chilluminati.org - Midwest based psytrance group |
|
|
|
Wizack Twizack
Wizack Twizack
Started Topics :
239
Posts :
3486
Posted : Nov 9, 2009 21:19
|
Quote:
|
On 2009-11-09 19:57, Ascension wrote:
I assume there's less likelihood to lose money with digital releases, so I see the benefit for labels to use it. Everything is online, no physical stock (no overstock, no need to order more if you sell out of the original order).
I prefer cds though. I think if a label goes digital, they should incorporate other free downloads on their website to drive traffic to it-with the addition of ads for extra revenue (unreleased tracks, live sets, dj sets by label artists, etc).
Maybe some online sales could be coupled with printable labels for the cd? I hate having to write all the tracks down and it's nice to have cds with art as well.
|
|
im with u on this!
bOm..
For Contact & Bookings:
Wizack_Booking@hotmail.com
www.soundcloud.com/wizack_Twizack
New Album Out: Wizack Twizack - IV (Ovnimoon Records 2011) http://www.beatport.com/#release/wizack-twizack-iv/387698 |
|
|
|
tHuJoN
Freakulizer / Khainz
Started Topics :
115
Posts :
932
Posted : Nov 9, 2009 21:25
|
I also like digital releases ...
i remember the days when i had to buy a whole Album or compilation ...even if i just wanted to play one specific tarck from it ...
With digital releaases u can eactly buy what u want ...
the only missing part of it's to walk to the store and listening to cds (even artist u never listened to before)... I think thats a little problem with download-portals ...some are flooded with music ... about 100 releases or more daily ... so sometimes its hard to look for fresh artist as there are soo many ...
May i feel sometimes its to easy for labels to release music digitaly...as they don't realy need t put money in ... Everyday new releases from new labels ...
sometimes the quality of the releases gets a bit lost imho ... due quanitity ...
www.myspace.com/freakulizer
www.facebook.com/freakulizer
www.myspace.com/khainzmusic
http://www.facebook.com/khainzmusic |
|
|
|
