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Digital Release vs Psyshop
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Thx-1138
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Posted : Apr 24, 2011 23:07:23
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Hi guys,
I am back with this new discussion as to what is more convenient for a starting label if releasing digital wavs or selling CDs via Psyshop or SaikoSounds etc.
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A.Rosengren
Solid Snake
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Posted : Apr 24, 2011 23:56
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Do you want to lose money or do you want to break even?
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makus
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Posted : Apr 25, 2011 08:47
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Grevinsky
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Posted : Apr 25, 2011 11:05
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Does anyone even buy cd´s these days? |
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Remy [POF]
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Posted : Apr 25, 2011 11:39
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cd is dead, go digital..
 On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts. |
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alientrancesistor
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Posted : Apr 25, 2011 13:29
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well people do buy CD's at the end it all depends on ur marketing and promotion....but what i have noticed is it will work out better if u sell ur CD's from ur website and at gigs...partys and festivals are very important...and also at ur label promo partys....and if ur Cd has a good art work it will be even better...yes people do buy i knw so many labels who have sold out albums. and again i am talking about few underground labels...sure u can sell all ur copies...but if u just release ur CD's give to distributors and you sit back waiting to get all the returns..i think that is highly doubtfull...my personnel opinion go with the CD and good art work is also a key..
may be after 2 months of the Cd release you can go digital
all the best
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Apr 25, 2011 14:09
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Go with digital. It's the future and where there's actually some money these days.
Yeah fine you can sell 10 CD's in a party. It still does not come close to what you can sell digital.
And remember you have to pay for your CD artwork and production of the CD (not cheap), find a decent distributor who actually know something about promoting and selling your CD's (psyshop and the rest in this scene are not professional and does a bad job) in order for you to have a chance breaking even, you need to promote the CD (using more money) and go to a lot of parties to sell your music (that is if you are allowed to sell your music the parties. Not all organizers say yes) or you have to get x number of bookings (something even harder than selling music these days. Especially if you are a new artist).
So I don't buy into the argument that you just have to sell your CD's at parties. It's not that easy 
And I do not know how many times I have heard the argument that good artwork will save the release. IMO this is absolutely nonsense. IT does not make sales any better. And this is stated from experience and talking to labels and artists. It does not make sales go up these days.
However if you go digital and do some proper promotion (spend some money) and a hell of a lot of networking you can actually do pretty good without the cost of producing a CD and bad distribution making your CD's sleep on a shelf gathering dust. It's a win/win situation where you'll actually get a profit much easier than with a CD.
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Sanathana
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Posted : Apr 25, 2011 16:13
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CD Sales are down big time. This is a known fact of today and labels are struggling BIG time to even break even. Some labels that run parallel in-house cd distribution make money but do compromise on quality by either duplicating cd's using cheap quality CD-R for burnig / duplication instead of the industry replication process which is of the same quality the glass master is....
The way forward is digital. You could maybe invest a little on back end work for your own website and get a secure method of payment incorporated notwithstanding maintaining a good quality of cd releases.
As Makus (Overdream) once very wisely put it, it is better to sell a minimum of 700 - 1000 copies digitally than 150 - 200 copies through well established physical distribution networks viz. psyshop, saikosounds and the like.
Safest option is having both but you can greatly reduce cost by having a one time investment and setting up your own physical distribution channel which runs parallel to a good digital distribution channel.
After which, you promote and market your product to educate the consumers that the product exists in the market and is available without which nothing will sell anyway. Then keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best.
In any case, digital or physical, pirates will most probably kill your sales anyway no matter how big or reputed a label you are.
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alientrancesistor
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Posted : Apr 25, 2011 17:05
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it depends on the label if they want quality printing and spend a considerable amount of money or compromise...coz there is always option between cheap manufacturing and high quality printing and packing...of course it involves lot of hard-work if ur printing it your self and also doing the distribution your self as compared to outsourcing it to a distributor who also does printing but it dosent mean who ever prints the cd themselves will go for duplication and cheap package...not true always...
i see here most people prefer digital...but i will still stick to old school CD and of course quality CD ..
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Sanathana
Sanathana
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Posted : Apr 25, 2011 17:14
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^ I agree Not all labels take the time, effort and spend even when it comes to in-house cd distribution
I am sure all agree that when a producer puts in so much time and effort in churning out tunes, at least they should be with the masses in good quality which justifies every sound, note and melody within a tune
Good luck with the distribution process, bro [huggz] and full support
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mudpeople
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Posted : Apr 25, 2011 17:33
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I dont know if anyone else said it already (its been a long night)...
Digital releases via something like Beatport basically let the end-user pick which exactly they want to buy, whereas CD releases, if only a couple tracks are desired, too bad, heres 7 or 8 more anyway. Sure, they may end up being enjoyable, and maybe even unanticipated favorites. But, well, thinking of my own collection there isn't many if any entire CDs that I love EVERY track.
So, the quality-to-cost ratio of digital, in that respect, is considerably greater than CD. It seems to me far more likely that a CD track, even though it may be a great, just by being on a CD with other not so great ones, will deter many buyers, especially those who can't afford to spend 20 USD (shipping factored in, rounded to the 10) on essentially one track, where a 2 USD beatport download just by being cheaper will attract a good many more buyers Id wager. I dont think its too illogical to say that one good track on Beatport could theoretically make as much as a CD release with 8 other tracks of unknown desirability would. But the CD release's manufacturing cost has to be subtracted from that making the profit margin of digital (by my shaky and estimated math) a little bit greater.
Ive estimated and guesstimated, and don't really care right now to take the time to find out specifics, so I could be way off.
Also, a digital release will be there in your digital hands within the time it takes to download, whereas a psyshop release, when I ordered, takes at least 5 business days to get to the western US, Saikosounds even longer (funny how that works). That can be yet another incentive to get it digital.
That seems to me the name of the game; digital releases offer many incentives for the end customer, whether or not the customer consciously considers them, that CDs don't. CDs even have incentives NOT to buy them, whatever that may be.
But as Sanathana said, theres not really a realistic way other than total global internet control to stop p2p and other piracy. If you're looking to make money AND sell records, youre going to have to find some other thing to be the bulk of your profit and let the record sales be a side gig. I cant think of anything psytrance related that would be so profitable that you could release records and still make a profit if the records don't sell however... Except for, like, join Infected as their 8th member (or would it be 12th?  ) or be the person in charge of bringing Skazi his Pepsi, or something....
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Kolishin Methud
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Posted : Apr 27, 2011 03:54
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Don't go with cd baby to put your stuff online, good service but they don't put your music on half/any of the sites they say... and they are abit over priced... bummer :/ anyone know of a better place to sell music digitally?? thanks!
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Interconnekted
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Posted : Apr 28, 2011 01:09
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I like digital idea but as an ARtist i prefer the physical cd, the whole artwork and idea is based on the music so i like to buy the Cd is i love the music!
Bum
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Apr 28, 2011 06:48
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the feel of having an original cd is just somethin different!!!
and not all the music is available digitally!!!
i am still purchasin cds !! |
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Upavas
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Posted : Apr 28, 2011 07:46
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