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___GuyShanti
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Posted : Aug 29, 2001 12:42:09
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yo
anybody here tryed writing in a beat diferent from 4/4?
we did a 7/8ths track which worked fine (a bit confusing but that was the point) and now we're trying 5/4s and damn its hard. I want to make it dancey and groovy but I cant really find the BEAT. does anyone know what i'm on about?
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___Psychadelo
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Posted : Aug 29, 2001 12:53:51
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thoose beats are confusing because you are not use to hear them , you use to hear 4/4 .
Peace. |
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___ChillCrew
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Posted : Aug 29, 2001 13:06:50
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I know what your talking about shanti, and it is kinda difficult to creat on trance... but we should put our heads together and im sure one could find a solution. |
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___bilbobagginz
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Posted : Aug 29, 2001 13:35:25
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if u look into the dancing music history, guy, you'll not much except 1/4's
4/4: march, polka, russian folklore, english folklore, etc. african tribal etc.
another thing - 3/4:
[wals] was also ok, and it has been used in trance by many(XV Kilist, and so on)
other beats were used, but not for dancing.
so i think 7/8 or 4/5 are good for breaks
or transitions from 1 story to other ...
sorry, but human ear/body needs to hear 4/4 :-)
we're used to it for very very long time
now.... if we do create something in 5/5 or 7/7
it may sound outstanding!
but it won't be possible to be dancing with it.
BOM to ALL
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___Psychadelo
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Posted : Aug 29, 2001 15:08:28
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Bilbo got the point exactly !
We used to hear 4/4 , that's it.
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___alchemist
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Posted : Aug 29, 2001 15:10:38
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Seems like we'll have to inject our brain the 7/8 4/5 3/4 beat.
there's no other way to get used to it :)
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___KhelProject
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Posted : Aug 29, 2001 17:04:22
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My beats:
* 4/4s - The standard beat (in every trance)!
* 3/4s - I did this beat (worked good):)
It's cool to change the beats:) |
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___Trip-
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Posted : Aug 29, 2001 20:13:32
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3/4 works pretty good as the 6/8 also
Simon tracks and others used them
I used them long time ago and they just sound very well. |
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___kaz
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Posted : Aug 29, 2001 21:34:11
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4/4 is easy to work with, and VERY easy to hear.
3/4 is easy to work with, and less easy to hear.
4/3 is less easy to work with, and even less easy to hear (but can be impressive... I think he used it in one of the tracks in The Lone Deranger, forget the name), and is much easier to work with when NOT making trance, because it scores lower on the rhythm scale.
7/8 is pretty simple to work with but confusing to hear as trance (doesn't really work well with basic rhythms, which is what people will dance to). Much better used in rock IMHO :)
5/4 is hard to work with (I've tried and failed to make something I like in trance, it's pretty groovy for ambient though).
there's of course combining 3/4 and 4/3 (it will require tempo shifting to be smooth), which I've promised myself to try sometime :)
Anyways, you could go on a more standard point of view, and just listen to a lot of rock, where the drumming combines 8/8 and 7/8, or lots of other combinations...
but for dancing, lets admit it... 4/4 and 8/8 are the best, and 3/4 and 6/8 in second, the rest a far third. The more complex rhythms can be WAY trippier, but psytrance is about dancing first, psychedelia second, and all the rest takes up the other places. Want to freak everyone out with your rhythms? Hear Shpongle - Are You Shpongled, and see how it's done =)
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___GuyShanti
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Posted : Aug 30, 2001 10:10:51
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the first Shpongle has a 7/8 track and simon has a 3/4 in The Lone Deranger. thats all true.
u misunderstood my question (or i misasked). I KNOW beat. i am also a bit of percusionist so i know my way around (ever tryed to drum to 9/11s?). my question is - if u ever tryed making trance in a diffrent beat - what was the groove u created? where did u put the bass drums? whats the bass line u used? I keep tweaking with it and it sounds nice but I'm still looking for a GROOVE.
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___ChillCrew
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Posted : Aug 30, 2001 10:12:14
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U want groove? add a funky guitar. ;-) |
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___shoulin
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Posted : Aug 30, 2001 10:18:48
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Forget about it, try adding electronic violins.
I heard them in jazz and I wished I could hear them in a track...
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___Mind-Attack
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Posted : Aug 30, 2001 19:29:08
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ok..
what is 4/4 and stuff like that?
I Probley know what it is but not as 4/4... |
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___shulmantrip
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Posted : Aug 31, 2001 01:07:37
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in music there is a beat structure
at the most upper level there are bars
when you say 4/4 (4 divide by 4)
the denominator (mechane) means the weight and "tempo" of the music.
while the numerator (mone) counts how many actual
beats you play in each bar
weight - which beats get a dagesh...
ie - in old dance music like valse the tempo was 3/4 or 6/8 altough in math they both represent
the same "length" of a bar, in music the 3/4
means a dagesh of the first beat in each bar
TOOM tam tam, TOOM tam tam .....
and 6/8 means TOom taM Tam TOom taM Tam
so other sounds get the dagesh
of course valse sucks very much
except for one valse that I cant remember its name
now (its a piece that is regarded as a valse but its plain wierd and beutiful)
in trance and almost any other dance music in the known universe the tempo is 4/4 which means
four beats in a bar
TOOM tam Tam tam, TOOM tam Tam tam...
anyway thats the basics of the tempo /weight
thing
bom
yaniv
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___bilbobagginz
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Posted : Aug 31, 2001 04:16:52
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and now let's get to the pauses, and sincopas
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