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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 20:05
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Aciduss do a search on Solfeggio frequencies and Fibonacci numbers.
There are indeed planetary resonant frequencies. Frequencies affecting the body, repairing DNA...etc.
Some folks believe it, some not.
Thing is, unless you're making ambient music of endless drones with all your hardware and software synths, off set to play these frequencies, this has no baring on why someone could not still make a decent sounding mix because of these tunings...we can sit here and stroke our chins till they bleed on exploring frequencies and their effects on the human body/psyche.
I am talking about putting a mix together nicely and I have asked Moki to post a tune before when we got into another argument about tuning and "superior" music for the psyche due to using tuning that is more "resonant" with our inner being.
I'm all for that stuff, it sounds cool. I just want to hear the result of so much blabbering and as much as I sound like a "bully" Moki has talked so much shite over here that I would like her to put her money where her mouth is and let me finally hear, what the fuck all these pages of tuning and special frequencies sounds like.
That is all.
Peace out.
 
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aciduss
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 20:28
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I have read a lot on that stuff... still studying it and trying to understand to which extent is something real rather than just cool sounding concepts.
I understand your pov completely DH and also think a decent and crystal clear mix is achievable while taking into account fantastic-cosmic fun concepts to trip superior balls what is what i want after all xD
BTW DH... have you tripped to your own music?
I read your comment on bud using at studio... i used to enjoy producing under weed's influence but not anymore, in fact a clear mind starts better tracks for me... but for listening purposes only and on proper psychedelics... have you tripped to your beat? how was it? |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 20:52
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I have read a bit here or enough ,and I also read a few pages on the other thread here emotion keys or sth like this, I mean with the frequencies of the planet.
I find it interesting,no doubt..so much effort on extern pages ..seems like there must be some truth in it.On the other side,I like to believe in facts.There is a lot of conspirative or fictional stuff on the net that is bull for me it catches attention of people at the same time no one really really knows if this is just a good story,enough for me to be sceptical.
I ask myself if this is really scientifically prooved with the frequencies of planets?...Im not sure.
If it is it changes a lot in me,otherwise I dont know if paying attention to this is worth the limited time.
I know binaural frequencies is sth that is working and prooved - frequencies that can cause changes in your mind,when you play sth and you tired you can be suddenly awake and lots of more different mind changes are possible with binaural frequencies.
But I dont know much about it ,just got to know that binaural is sth that works 100% scientifcaly proved.
This same is intersting to me about the planets and what not,there is soo much of this magic stuff,Im wondering is this truth or is this just another fictional programm?..
Peace
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aciduss
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 21:25
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Critical thought and skepticism is very much needed in this mater... but it all comes to when swimming in lysergia and listenting to music... does it actually give a superior quality experience? if so, how can it actually be achieved...
After all this posts what i come to think is that it doesn't mater if you take pluto's frequency into account or produce golden ratio frequencies into your basslines...
What works in any kind of music are ideas; expression of thoughts and / or emotions and in specifically in psytrance what works is the tension / release mechanics, surprise factor and good use of musical narrative, psychedelics just enhance the overall experience and link it with your deeper self. |
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Shiranui
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Posted : Feb 2, 2011 02:19
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reversed beats make me feel like my body is turning inside out |
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Posted : Feb 2, 2011 04:59
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On 2011-02-01 20:28, aciduss wrote:
have you tripped to your beat? how was it?
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I've done it numerous times. Done it in the studio and after an hour it was epic fail!  I couldn't focus on the cursor and I could not stop the music as I found silence very irritating, at them times I was alone in the studio and not with my music comrade.
I've done it when listening to finished mixes to see what they sound like. I enjoyed it very much I remembered very well what I had done, but it sounded 100 times better, I discovered that I don't need to over twist things as when I am straight and I am thinking I gotta make things really fucked up for the sake of trippin' extra balls, I didn't need to and it does not fit my personality. I am more into the raw power and weight a big acid lead line, carries. The whishy washy effects and complex glitch and FM felt like me trying to hide from my true self, when I already know who I am, hence the style of my music.
I haven't tripped when playing live cause I knew before hand that it makes it harder to focus on the screen, as I do have to select different channels with the automation visible to select parameters to tweak and as the cursor moves across the arrangement I don't wanna accidentaly double tap the macbook's pad and fuck up any automation parameters. It would be rude to the people that came to party and to the organizers that trusted us with the gig.
Have tripped when DJing as mixing beats is a piece of piss, but I was not playing my own tunes.
Peace out.
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moki
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Posted : Feb 2, 2011 15:14
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On 2011-02-01 19:46, aciduss wrote:
Hi Moki. I find your words VERY VERY interesting since I am myself into a lot of metaphysical and mystic concepts along with new wave quantum mechanics and esoteric exploration... not from a superficial fanboy perspective but from a very deep curious and exploratory fashion.
I'd like to listen to your work as well as understand a lot more of what you are talking about.
I understand reality works in the EM spectrum thus light, sound and physical mater (among others) are part of the same frequency spectrum although in different bands.
To create music (frequency shifts along time on pulsating beats (also frequencies)) to listeners on mind altering psychedelic experiences wanting to explore inner and outer reality through our physical vehicle is one of the most beautiful and passionate aspects of psychedelic trance imo.
I have spent various years learning everything from substractive synthesis to sampling, arranging, music theory, accoustics and many maters surrounding music production... parallel to this I have been developing my own self through various schools of knowledge... from Qabalah to Astrology passing through many forms of meditation, remote viewing and consciousness exploration, also being more and more interested in the world around me everyday... modern society, wars, drugs, social phenomenons, cybernetics... blah blah...
I'm not trying to brag about what im into, in fact i am no expert in any of this maters and i know most in this forum think of many of this as hippy mumbo jumbo... my point is... i find very interesting your mindset towards production and the effect of your sound to personal mind experiences and would like to know particularities of your workflow and overall idea managing and production techniques aiming for a true mind affecting music / sound regardless of all controversy this subject could arise among less open mind fellows.
Thanks in advance for your time and words... best vibes.
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Well, first of all thanks a lot for the kind words and for the interest in what i do. 
it is not easy to throw a short explanation of the particularities of the production workflow in a forum frame style. it is a workflow that i was developing for the last 2,5 years and it is still evolving to more complexity and clarity of the mindset. as a matter of fact i started with colour and visuals for designing a psychedelic experience and later began with sounds too. the first time , it was made for a psychedelic conference where others did the sound mixing and i mixed the visuals. and although each of them made great sounds with high quality of production, it was still not what i needed for a designed psychedelic journey.
i am planning to repeat the whole thing may be in august this year in a small underground psychedelic multimedial museum, and it all depends from the approval of the senat, how fast it will happen and how long it will last.
one thing is sure, the goal is to reach the same transpersonal journey only through sound, word and visuals. i see this task more as a metaphysician and transpersonal experimentator than as a musician ( i will answer in a sec the question of disco hooligans about posting sound and why i think ten times before i would post a sound in isratrance)
the workflow begins with writing a guidance text and with words that describe certain symbols and archetypes through which i would like to go in my transpersonal journey. the first phase is very similiar to a guided psychoanalysis and it is based on the interpretations of carl gustav jung , stanislav grof and tim leary about a psychedelic transpersonal journey. it includes a kind of a psychographic map of consciousness. it is series of over 500 symbols that appear in a strict order one after the other and lead me to a certain intellectual state- either it is a state of oneness, happiness, strength, calmness, faith, activation of sexual desire, activation of love. or even astral connectivity to other entities. the goals can be many and the transpersonal ways to reach them are many too. after the text and the goal is ready, the sound and the visuals are planned according to the text. for activation of certain archetypes i use the planets. i use a vast variety of tables with certain frequencies , not only those based on the cosmic octave but also others coming from mind machine sets or other magnificent tools and equipment that i got to know the last months. i will not explain in detail which ones, because it would take me 3 pages to describe how those tools are programmed and how they work.
after i plan on a paper with a pencil what sound i need for each of those symbols and words, i start to experiment with the sound. i rarely record it because the process of experimenting is my meditative process.
and if i record it,
- it is first of all very dull, dumb, narrow sound, the whole harmony is kind of gone, it is simply too narrow and not spheric any more.i dont know why.
- i would like to improve it much more before i post it
- i must be very careful to show it mostly face to face and be able to explain the workflow and the goal to those who hear it, because otherwise it would definitely be only some drone ambient sound that does not induce the right quality of a transpersonal jounrey, unless the listener knows exactly what he is doing.
- i am sure that the sound would be exactly as shit as my words are for all people who find i speak bollock:). it is neurolinguistic anchor that is called prejudice in common english
- i definitely need a couple of thousend more words in my english vocabulary to explain the complexity of metaphysics
- i am just kind of afraid that too much negative reaction if i post the sound could affect my own neurolinguistic practise and anchor me to a point that i stop doing it, which is something very similar to what happened to my video website.
- and it is important to do this in a way that has gone through field experimentations with enough people so that you know exactly what you are doing.
okey, with one word, it is written with big letters in my to do list to describe the work flow of that in aprehensive metaphysical english. but before that it is written in even bigger letters that i need to work on the quality of sound production. because the better the sound, the better the direct connection through the heart of the listener. otherwise i connect to his mind mostly and it is his own task to establish a relation between mind and a heart.
another thing to be added to the wirkflow is the movement and the physical body meditation. to this issue i started a topic about some meditative tools like tai chi or paneurhythmy in the spiritual section of the forum. the problem is, i do need help from trance professionals in order to learn the basics about few things, but it is impossible to explain to them without spiritual vocabulary why i need it so much. ...
but we have some more time and may be with some collective effort dreams will come through...
p.s. another thing is that it takes an extreme amount of energy if i try to act like some kind of a persuader especially in a field with lots of masculine interraction...
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Posted : Feb 2, 2011 16:06
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Wow,this sounds like the talk of some dude I know.
Friend be trippin in Amsterdam one drop too many,now when he starts to talk metaphisical,well,yea... |
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aciduss
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Posted : Feb 2, 2011 17:10
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Thanks for the explanation Moki, somehow I understand a couple of things... glad u shared.
I remember one day I came home from a party, still was on LSD so I put a record on, if my memory is right it is called +/- from Ryoji Ikeda a japanese experimental guy...
At first glance it is just a mechanical like drone evolving little by little with some shocking breaks here and there... in fact it can be very disturbing but as high as I was just kept listening...
After a while my mind was taking over that sound playing through my big speakers and shaking the whole building with noisy glitching continuous and then I understood the trick.
Seems like after several minutes of listening to that apparently incoherent noises I got into a deep trance and it happened something really really weird, probably the most interesting sonic experience I've had.
I began to listen to complex and interesting melodies. The droning noises were still playing and the melodies were not really coming from the speakers, but I heard them inside my head. I just remember I was very very amazed by what was happening to me there lying on the floor just listening to wicked shit that produced melodies inside my head.
To this day I still wonder how he do that... because I was there with girlfriend and we shared the same strange musical experience.
What I came to conclude was that Ryoji's drones were noises in the whole spectrum BUT in those places where melody's notes were... to make more sense... it was like an inverse or negative audio experience where the artist was filling everything with noise but the melody, then brain was capable of generating the melody given the audio context.
I'm not sure if I was right... i haven't listened to that record again since it is not very pleasant to do when sober... but i have been intrigued ever since. How did he do that? he really messed with my mind and made it play music that he was not actually playing... quite amazing if you ask me... of course i got very strange looks by neighbors the following days hehe.
http://www.ryojiikeda.com/
Very well designed psy experience... i might listen to other of his shit soon.
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Feb 2, 2011 17:11
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On 2011-02-02 16:06, jekvan wrote:
Wow,this sounds like the talk of some dude I know.
Friend be trippin in Amsterdam one drop too many,now when he starts to talk metaphisical,well,yea...
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One should not judge what one doesn't know.
You may not want to go down that road, but respect the ones who are |
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Posted : Feb 2, 2011 17:40
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On 2011-02-02 17:10, aciduss wrote:
Thanks for the explanation Moki, somehow I understand a couple of things... glad u shared.
I remember one day I came home from a party, still was on LSD so I put a record on, if my memory is right it is called +/- from Ryoji Ikeda a japanese experimental guy...
At first glance it is just a mechanical like drone evolving little by little with some shocking breaks here and there... in fact it can be very disturbing but as high as I was just kept listening...
After a while my mind was taking over that sound playing through my big speakers and shaking the whole building with noisy glitching continuous and then I understood the trick.
Seems like after several minutes of listening to that apparently incoherent noises I got into a deep trance and it happened something really really weird, probably the most interesting sonic experience I've had.
I began to listen to complex and interesting melodies. The droning noises were still playing and the melodies were not really coming from the speakers, but I heard them inside my head. I just remember I was very very amazed by what was happening to me there lying on the floor just listening to wicked shit that produced melodies inside my head.
To this day I still wonder how he do that... because I was there with girlfriend and we shared the same strange musical experience.
What I came to conclude was that Ryoji's drones were noises in the whole spectrum BUT in those places where melody's notes were... to make more sense... it was like an inverse or negative audio experience where the artist was filling everything with noise but the melody, then brain was capable of generating the melody given the audio context.
I'm not sure if I was right... i haven't listened to that record again since it is not very pleasant to do when sober... but i have been intrigued ever since. How did he do that? he really messed with my mind and made it play music that he was not actually playing... quite amazing if you ask me... of course i got very strange looks by neighbors the following days hehe.
http://www.ryojiikeda.com/
Very well designed psy experience... i might listen to other of his shit soon.
Thanks.
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That happens on the dance floor also, when u suddenly start to connect all the dots and create melodies in your head the are'nt really there |
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Posted : Feb 2, 2011 18:40
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if u want to write music for the animic trance condition (without drugs) think about night time music....
for the day... |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 2, 2011 20:29
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Moki to me it sounds interesting but very fictional.What Im missing are some proves.
If you need thousands words to describe it than someting is wrong.
If something is clear ,no thousand words are needed to explain.
If it is proved give some links.Is this in wikipedia or some encyclopedia ? Or is it something that has not been recognized so far? With the frequencies of planets..
If its not recognized by scientists so far it does not mean it is not true,maybe later.. I just wanna know if its recognized by scientists or not.And where one can read it.Not a couple of books to get more dizzy.Just clear without any drugs.
Peace
btw you have a nice avatar I like it.
Greets
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Shiranui
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Posted : Feb 2, 2011 20:32
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On 2011-02-02 20:29, TimeTraveller wrote:
If you need thousands words to describe it than someting is wrong. |
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You need thousands of words to describe how the human nervous system works, but that description is not wrong. |
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Posted : Feb 2, 2011 20:34
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On 2011-02-02 20:29, TimeTraveller wrote:
If you need thousands words to describe it than someting is wrong. |
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You need thousands of words to describe how the human nervous system works, but that description is not wrong.
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but you dont need thousands of words to describe it and you can see it is explored and read it in thousands of sources.
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