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Designing music for the psychedelic experience
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antidentity
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Posted : Jan 27, 2011 14:41
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On 2011-01-14 22:38, dreadieg wrote:
ya know, i've always wondered what counts as psychedelic. mainly cause i've been through so many phases in my psychedelic use.
like, 5 years ago, i was a total head and i liked dark stuff like terranoise and the like.
now i'm sober and meditate and do yoga and generally tend to stick to spiritual moving things. and now i listen to forest and ajja and twilight and ocelot and such.....
so i have to wonder, why do we stick things in the categories or psy/not psy? doesn't it vary from person to person? maybe some people with a head full of lucy want to listen to dark psy all night, making it a psychedelic experience to them?
is psycedelic more than a drug thing? if so, i think we should re-classify the psychedelic terminology. honestly, i get more tripped out sober doing shamanic trance work than anything i ever ate as a head.....
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psychedelic means "mind manifesting", so yes, its more than a drug thing.
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aciduss
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Posted : Jan 28, 2011 22:56
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Don't fool yourself, this is drug music. Sure it can be enjoyed sober but add some expanding mind substance and the real game begins. |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 28, 2011 23:26
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If something can be completely enjoyed fully 100% without drugs, it is not 'drug music' imo. To me that implies that without the drugs the music would not be good or the experience would not be worthwhile which I do not agree with at all. *influenced* by drugs yes....
Some of the most intense dancers I know haven't touched drugs in years. Some of the best producers as well.
Yes, it sounds really great on drugs. Sex feels really great on drugs, does that mean that sex is innately linked with drugs, or that you must be fucked up to enjoy it?
I mean, I personally am very excited to continue developing my relationship with entheogens but I know that I will reach a point in my life when I do not feel compelled to utilize them in order to have a good trance experience. Some day! (not now though....heheheheh)
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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aciduss
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Posted : Jan 28, 2011 23:40
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To each its own... but i think this genre wouldn't exist without psychedelic drugs. |
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loki
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Posted : Jan 29, 2011 00:42
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Yes that's true, but to be fair, I only take psychedelics on the trancefloors at summer festivals now, and that's really just because tripping balls with 3 or 4 thousand other people is ridiculously fun.
You do have a point though. This genre would not exist without the drugs, and part of my enjoyment of dancing is always remembering those first few festivals flying out of my mind on acid and feeling the whole universe flowing through my dancer's body, hearing my first mind-splitting sawtooth riffs tearing down the walls of what i thought music was, and seeing those bug-eyed smiles all around me: one huge, seething, tripped-out mass of people dancing like we were fighting a war, all with no more purpose than carving out a hole in the ground and enjoying life...
So I make music for THAT experience. I make music knowing that many will be just discovering the psychedelic culture, and those wild trippy sounds will stick with them and get them hooked to what trance dancing can be, to how sounds can be deep hypnotic textures, and rythms can be alive and evolving, to how dancing can be meditative and sensual and sexual and just plain old fun all at once.
But when I go out to dance at my local psy nights, I like having a great meal, slogging back a few beers, and ripping the bong until I'm silly and giddy and loose as can be. I enjoy socializing with the good folk when I'm NOT tripping balls - but knowing that these people are all there dancing for the same reasons, and have the same memories and experiences drawing them to this music.
So really, this is "psychedelic" music, as someone pointed out, "mind manifesting," with the aid of drugs or just the right headspace or whatever works for ya.
One other note: when an artist creates music that is truly psychedelic and mind bending, it definitely shows in a dancefloor.
Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room. ~Kurt Vonnegut
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aciduss
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Posted : Jan 29, 2011 00:51
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Very nice post Loki...
I haven't taken any psychedelics in a very long time, last parties i have been to i stayed with a couple of beers and a joint but i could do it sober... i enjoy psytrance with a clean mind as well but when i hear the call of psychedelia and mix it with psytrance nothing can beat that, i also make music for that particular experience... although i like music in general and making it for fun and expression.
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moki
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Posted : Jan 31, 2011 23:55
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On 2011-01-14 17:31:03, aciduss wrote:
A final question... have you tripped to your own music? How was it?
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it feels perfect. why, because i design every detail according to the theory of the psychedelic experience, with all levels and psychic maps of consciousness defined by psychologists and psychiatrists for the psychedelic experience. three bardo levels, certain archetypes in each level, certain planets, certain cosmic tones, certain frequencies. it is like a neurolinguistic programming where everything is what i need it to be. objectively it cetainly wouldnt be sound of interest for any trance professional. but it is the perfect for my own trip anyway.
i dont hear this anywhere else, unfortunately. and no pill, eithere it is blue or red, would be able to give this neurolinguistic programming to my mind with that detail.
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moki
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 14:00
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p.s. because trance professionals are mostly interested in complex sophisticated clear crystal productions more than anything else. almost fanatically. well at least the professionals who work on a few seconds of a patch for days.
but it is okey, because it is definitely a very hard work and maybe almost impossible to turn simple music to that. although what i meant is not simple music at all.
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 15:29
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On 2011-01-31 23:55, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
...it is like a neurolinguistic programming where everything is what i need it to be. objectively it cetainly wouldnt be sound of interest for any trance professional...
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Why do think that "trance professionals" would not be interested in that sound?
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On 2011-02-01 14:00, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
p.s. because trance professionals are mostly interested in complex sophisticated clear crystal productions more than anything else. almost fanatically...
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Bollocks.
This is an argument that people that don't know much about production, use.
You can have great ideas, music wise and "trippy/complex" wise and great production.
Peace out.
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moki
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 15:40
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of course you can.
the logical interpretation of your sentence for me:
you can be born in a palace and be the king. but not everyone born in a palace is a king. you know what i mean.
it is not always a great production, although it can be complex musically or metaphysically. because great production takes extremely more know how and hard work.
why would they not have an interest in that kind of sound story : just because of the poor quality of production. to me it works because of the auto (!) neurolinguistic detail , it is auto suggestive. but to other persons it wont be so interesting, i think. unless he has an intellectual entrance to the detail.
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 15:45
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On 2011-02-01 15:40, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
of course you can.
the logical interpretation of your sentence for me:
you can be born in a palace and be the king. but not everyone born in a palace is a king. you know what i mean. |
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Try more common logic, you're way off.
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On 2011-02-01 15:40, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
it is not always a great production, although it can be complex musically or metaphysically. because great production takes extremely more know how and hard work.
why would they not have an interest in that kind of sound story : just because of the poor quality of production. to me it works because of the auto (!) neurolinguistic detail , it is auto suggestive. but to other persons it wont be so interesting, i think.
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my logical interpretation of your sentence to me: I can't get a decent sounding mix to save my life, so I'll just invent a bunch of other rubbish to convince my self my music is good so that my views on production and psychedelic sound design, carry some weight 
Peace out.
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moki
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 17:52
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aha. i will explain to you the reason why your logical interpretation does not fit to my intention. 
the weight of what i am doing is , as i am saying it for a third time, an auto (=self) neurolinguistic exercise, it is coming from the perspective of a neuro science and psychology and its weight is there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurolinguistic
it works with archetypes coming from mythology, the stars and the symbols. i could work with that thing in order to explore the fast ocean of my subconscious mind also without musi c but only with colours, or painted symbols, or just by rhythmic breathing. i do it with sound because it is the most appropriate method for my intention and it works good on the level of transpersonal journeys. i dont need to invent rubbish to put more weight on my music, because the music is not the final goal that i have, in comparison to most visitors of this section btw.
and still it has nothing to do with qualitativ production of trance. example, i could change only four frequencies and pitch them forth and back and see four planets with 4 x 3 x 2 x 1 =24 different linear variations and thousends of different points in my body to work with and to explore, while a musician will hear four boring frequencies. but i am not a musician and dont need to put weight on that. i thought the question was how do we design our psychedelic experience and if we design it alone - then how does it feel. well to me if feels nicer than anything else.
more common association:
you can be a flower and at the same time be coloured in red and have some sharp prickles. well you probably must be a rose to be that and not any flower. or whatever it is. this section of this forum is always like i am gonna be preparing myself to step in a knight ride contest with a horse and armour and i am just sharing a word or two with the other knights.
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 18:36
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On 2011-02-01 17:52, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
aha. i will explain to you the reason why your logical interpretation does not fit to my intention.
the weight of what i am doing is , as i am saying it for a third time, an auto (=self) neurolinguistic exercise, it is coming from the perspective of a neuro science and psychology and its weight is there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurolinguistic
it works with archetypes coming from mythology, the stars and the symbols. i could work with that thing in order to explore the fast ocean of my subconscious mind also without musi c but only with colours, or painted symbols, or just by rhythmic breathing. i do it with sound because it is the most appropriate method for my intention and it works good on the level of transpersonal journeys. i dont need to invent rubbish to put more weight on my music, because the music is not the final goal that i have, in comparison to most visitors of this section btw.
and still it has nothing to do with qualitativ production of trance. example, i could change only four frequencies and pitch them forth and back and see four planets with 4 x 3 x 2 x 1 =24 different linear variations and thousends of different points in my body to work with and to explore, while a musician will hear four boring frequencies. but i am not a musician and dont need to put weight on that. i thought the question was how do we design our psychedelic experience and if we design it alone - then how does it feel. well to me if feels nicer than anything else.
more common association:
you can be a flower and at the same time be coloured in red and have some sharp prickles. well you probably must be a rose to be that and not any flower. or whatever it is. this section of this forum is always like i am gonna be preparing myself to step in a knight ride contest with a horse and armour and i am just sharing a word or two with the other knights.
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Moki dear, Talking about music is like dancing about architecture.
Post a few clips of your tunes cause you're not very good with words.
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aciduss
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 19:46
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Hi Moki. I find your words VERY VERY interesting since I am myself into a lot of metaphysical and mystic concepts along with new wave quantum mechanics and esoteric exploration... not from a superficial fanboy perspective but from a very deep curious and exploratory fashion.
I'd like to listen to your work as well as understand a lot more of what you are talking about.
I understand reality works in the EM spectrum thus light, sound and physical mater (among others) are part of the same frequency spectrum although in different bands.
To create music (frequency shifts along time on pulsating beats (also frequencies)) to listeners on mind altering psychedelic experiences wanting to explore inner and outer reality through our physical vehicle is one of the most beautiful and passionate aspects of psychedelic trance imo.
I have spent various years learning everything from substractive synthesis to sampling, arranging, music theory, accoustics and many maters surrounding music production... parallel to this I have been developing my own self through various schools of knowledge... from Qabalah to Astrology passing through many forms of meditation, remote viewing and consciousness exploration, also being more and more interested in the world around me everyday... modern society, wars, drugs, social phenomenons, cybernetics... blah blah...
I'm not trying to brag about what im into, in fact i am no expert in any of this maters and i know most in this forum think of many of this as hippy mumbo jumbo... my point is... i find very interesting your mindset towards production and the effect of your sound to personal mind experiences and would like to know particularities of your workflow and overall idea managing and production techniques aiming for a true mind affecting music / sound regardless of all controversy this subject could arise among less open mind fellows.
Thanks in advance for your time and words... best vibes.
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Trevon
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 19:59
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'let music set you free'.. |
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