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Posted : Jan 19, 2011 14:21
One of my favorite properties of LSD (and I'm sure other psychedelic drugs share it) is its ability to alter the perception of time. Music can take advantage of this by using heavy, long repetition.
Techno is the best example of this: my favorite techno tracks to listen to while tripping are ones that loop for a really long time while either not changing or changing at a very gentle rate, and then suddenly BANG they change suddenly.
like this
Trance uses it too sometimes
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Posted : Jan 19, 2011 14:29
But of course any magic tricks we can tell you about have already been used. Experiment and try to find some of your own
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Posted : Jan 19, 2011 15:04
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On 2011-01-19 14:09, Shiranui wrote:
echo/delay has a much bigger effect when the listener is tripping.
The reason for this is that the mind's auditory processing center has a builtin mechanism that causes you to ignore echoes and while tripping this mechanism is disabled
The ping-pong delay on the lead in this track is barely noticible while sober, but under the influence--holy shit!
This is some wicked stuff! Lovely
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Posted : Jan 19, 2011 15:07
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On 2011-01-19 14:21, Shiranui wrote:
One of my favorite properties of LSD (and I'm sure other psychedelic drugs share it) is its ability to alter the perception of time. Music can take advantage of this by using heavy, long repetition.
Techno is the best example of this: my favorite techno tracks to listen to while tripping are ones that loop for a really long time while either not changing or changing at a very gentle rate, and then suddenly BANG they change suddenly.
Nice examples of trance inducing tracks, i'm in to that long loops and sudden changes also, but i imagine that if Juno Reactor posted here at the workshop forum that it would be a number of people saying there where'nt enough breaks, do more changes in the bass and so on, i think, and as an intended producer myself, that we take the reviews and so on in consideration, we like people to enjoy our songs, but sometimes we loose prespective and disconect form what Pureuphria said
"On 2011-01-19 13:18, Pureuphoria wrote:
Often, you just got to start with something...and you've got to continue until you get a feeling of movement...but not a physical movement. Its more like a motion, an interest that invites you to "follow the rabbit".
So: when I'm in the studio it's more or less a process of opening yourself to that Stream, getting on that train and be the transmiter of ever-transending universe and spirit...the result is secondary, the experience(journey) is primary. "
This disconnection to hear what my soul is telling happens to me, alot.
And so i'm in goa arpeggio and my inside criticsm starts playing tricks -it feels old, more breaks, new bass, clever break - i think we need to stop treating a trance track as a whole instead it should be a part of something evolving from track to track and mainly for the listener or make a 60 min long track
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Posted : Jan 19, 2011 15:18
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Often, you just got to start with something...and you've got to continue until you get a feeling of movement...but not a physical movement. Its more like a motion, an interest that invites you to "follow the rabbit".
Wow! That's it, right there! Wise words. I've found that the best psychedelic trance tunes are the ones that really do "invite" you into that so-called rabbit hole, and the best melodies and grooves are the ones that let you almost synesthetically follow their journey throughout the atmospheres and FX of the tune. Hence my fascination with slow evolving sounds - hipass and reverb automation, for example, makes sounds travel far or near, and the brain recognizes this. It produces this idea of journey.
Also, the earlier comments on delay are definitely valid. Delay is fucking trippy. 'Nuff said.
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Posted : Jan 19, 2011 17:48
I think it's fun to listen to music and think of what drug the creator must have had in mind when they created it
For example, I'm willing to bet the breakdown in this track is nitrous-inspired
This one I also usually think nitrous but it could be dmt or salvia I dunno
Once I came up with the crazy idea that maybe minimal techno had so many hiss sounds to cover up the hiss of laughing gas being released from a tank. Of course I thought this up at a minimal techno party where there was a tank :x
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Posted : Jan 19, 2011 17:52
Oh another thing about that binary finary track, after the super intense euphoric buildup at the beginning, there's a sudden breakdown where it drops to near-silence with a very bassy heartbeat sound (I wonder if it's actually a heartbeat?). the first time I heard it I thought I was hearing my own heart beating :x
The original mix so you can hear it:
I kind of like it slowed down to be honest
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Posted : Jan 20, 2011 13:19
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On 2011-01-19 14:14, Shiranui wrote:
Also--abrasive, scary, melancholy or angry music can have a profound effect on a trip IF it is followed by the opposite. The contrast of unpleasant emotion followed by pleasant emotion results in a sense of catharsis which is much more enjoyable than the pleasant emotion on its own.
Of course this is not unique to psychedelic music. The concept of resolving tension is as old as music theory itself.
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Posted : Jan 21, 2011 05:40
I've found that trying the experience yourself helps a lot in this subject
I wouldn't dare play something to someone else that's experiencing psychedelics without passing through the experience myself. There may be some risks involved Psycho! BUM dabbadabaBUM dabbadabbaBUM dabbadabba BUMdabbaBUMBUM!
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Posted : Jan 21, 2011 15:28
My favourite tunes for the psychedelic type state probably have a few key features; lower than average tempo - 130-142, a deep kick and bassline, percussion that builds and changes along with the track accordingly to how it was built..
I dislike straight hi-hats with a clap/snare and a arpeggiator and simple sweeps and reverse cymbals... not saying these elements are bad but i really enjoy flowing creativity in how the sounds are used and layed out..
GMS vs Infected Mushroom - Arabian Knights on Mescaline
Not so wildly psychedelic per say but it sure has a well built structure, the song doesn't ever get boring and gives off alot of energy throughout it, plus its not a basic -intro, build, climax, outro structure using the same sounds in the intro/build/outro and a 'climatic peak' that comes down...
it starts smoothly, and builds up with unique sounds althroughout the track and changes as it goes on...
I also enjoy sudden sounds, good rythem throughout the whole track is also key... I hate tracks with are just a mass of rolling bass and laser kicks (Full-on...)
Its annoying and nothing to follow or listen to (to my ears, if I wanted hardcore or something i'd listen to those genres, dutch/italian hardcore..)
Old Goa trance is good, but its very basic, today's music lost the old sound and has gone waaaaaay over the top with the possibilities and sounds/glitchs/fx/crazy other shit the artists come up with
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Posted : Jan 22, 2011 01:06
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lots of replys, but not so many on topic.
how so? most people seem to be responding on the topic of 'creating music for the psychedelic experience.'
anyway - i've been thinking of this idea for a while... i currently live with roomates who take a mild interest in the music i make, but do not listen to psytrance themselves, or much other electronica at all for that matter. However, they definitely do react positively when I show them some tunes...
so - my plan is this: to create a track that is more just a mash up of psychedelic sounds (i.e. ripping hipass saws with loads of delay, then they fade away, followed by a long, hypnotic 303 riff being brought in and out with filter/reverb automation, then a bunch of pitch mod/reverse effects, etc, etc, etc, one main sound at a time) and get some responses from them on what they like and what effect the sounds have on them... er... while they are thoroughly shponglized, of course.
the advantages in using my roomates is that they are completely new to psytrance, so they have no genre bias...
for example, i would say stuttering machine-noise riffs at 148bpm are pretty dumb and not fun when i'm shpongled, but that could be just because it makes me think of dark psy. and low-octave saw growls will make me blissfully flash back to festival dancefloors and good times, and loose all ability to really comment on the sound at all.
to boot, they are not musicians. i cannot hear twisted brain blasting sounds without thinking, 'cool, that would work well as a stab/breakdown/lead' or 'hm, that sounds like a virus preset' for them, they would be hearing a sound, and telling me "whoa, that's cool, that's dizzying, makes me feel completely surrounded by whispers in a deep forest" or "that sounds like being sucked down some giant space alien's throat and popping out a wormhole on the other side".
which is the kind of analytical scientific feedback i'm looking for Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room. ~Kurt Vonnegut
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Posted : Jan 22, 2011 02:34
just to clarify what i was saying earlier. because i find fractals relates to psychedelics in some manner.
if you dont have all time. watch from 5.30
i think in this same way we can manipulate sound feedback to create psychedelic patterns.
The only variable is the source. or the flickering of the flame.
view from 4 minutes.
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Posted : Jan 22, 2011 03:08
now,,
any ideas to simulate that feedback visuals on sound.
i was thinking recording wet delays.
using distortion to simulate zoom perhaps.
and to simulate flickering, random velosity changes.
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Posted : Jan 24, 2011 09:19
Subtle ping pong delays, and echoes are always really cool during a psychedelic experience.
A slow beat (120-140) without a snare or clap usually makes me go a lot deeper into the sound too.
But... early days acid / goa takes the gold imo. The hypnotic 303 arpeggios and melodies... ahh sweet psy tears
- i think we need to stop treating a trance track as a whole instead it should be a part of something evolving from track to track and mainly for the listener or make a 60 min long track 
