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Posted : Jan 14, 2011 17:31:03
So, that's what we do pretty much isn't it?
This is Psychedelic Trance, we design a roller coaster experience filled with earcandy and beautiful sonic scenery on a pulsating beat to make people dance and trip away!
What do you think about this? Do you have this in mind while producing? I do know great music will sound great under psychedelics but specially designed sounds for the acid experience for example can make a real difference on the tripper.
For some the artist at the decks is the neo shaman who guides the inner exploration journey, for others it is computer music that is somehow very pleasant to dance and listen to while high and gets along well with drugs.
I find really few projects that actually seem like a proper soundtrack for a decent psychedelic experience, some of the psytrance today seem just for dancing to cheesy anthem melodies, other is like too aggressive and glitchy sometimes cool for other kind of stimulants but not so many projects really take you into 'that' state and abuse your mind like its supposed to be...
A final question... have you tripped to your own music? How was it?
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Posted : Jan 14, 2011 17:36
Nice thread!
I think lots of forest trance does this, Like Setanic - Glowing Mushrooms, Derango, Dohm and such artists, Very mushroom friendly music and even trippy without anything at all! and good to trance out too
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Posted : Jan 14, 2011 18:06
Absolutely, I have this in mind all the time. This is very important to me. Especially when you create psychedelic music (not all psytrance is psychedelic nowadays). During years of my production I understood what kind of sounds, patterns, samples and other things are bad for the trip and refused to use them ever. If a track sounds bad on (...) I won't play it until I fix all issues.
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Posted : Jan 14, 2011 18:21
but surely there is mood shifts all the time in the mind, what sounds good a hour ago might sound bad the next hour. So i think its most about timing and on the dancefloor somekind of collective timing, being there and now and feeling the collective feeling and not steer things in wrong direction cause of egoistic purpose or cause of fear or what ever, Let the music guide you.
I think also its very subjective even if you fight it you cant win this battle, somethings will get annoying sometimes.
Also i think its a part of all interesting music to use consonance and dissonance, chaos and order. But if we talk about mixing and a sound that stands out too much or cut in the ears too much thats another question, then its just bad mixing mistakes
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Posted : Jan 14, 2011 18:46
For me, when listening in said states of mind, it's all about a threshold of complexity. There has to be so much going on fx-wise to essentially play with my attentions. Does that make sense?
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Posted : Jan 14, 2011 19:08
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On 2011-01-14 17:36, Freeflow wrote:
Nice thread!
I think lots of forest trance does this, Like Setanic - Glowing Mushrooms, Derango, Dohm and such artists, Very mushroom friendly music and even trippy without anything at all! and good to trance out too
Its all subjective, for example, I don't find anything remotely psychedelic in that link and the artists you mentioned, at any point in the party.
Its also funny that people hi-jacked the "forest" word and stuck it on darkpsy tunes they would like listening to in a forest.
Not too long ago (a decade, give or take), forest tunes where the ones with, well, sounds of nature, but all mangled up...
Something that has no relevance what so ever to what is commonly known as "forest trance" today...
but I'm going off topic...
I do make music that will tingle the psychedelic neurons when they are all stretched far and wide, I don't actually take drops when I am writing music as it is impossible to focus on the cursor and generally make anything longer than 8 bars of music as I can't sit still on a chair when listening to music and I'm off me tits trippin' balls.
But having been to that state numerous times in my life (for better of for worse ) I know the feeling, I know which sounds I love micro-analyzing as they come out of the P.A., what riffs I like, general balance between wild FX versus "conventional" ripping HPF saw leads.
Anyhow, some good bud helps getting in the mood in the studio. Bud is very under-appreciated. A lot of people want the strong quick fix of a drop, which as amazing as it is and superior in "psychedeliness?", it lacks the laid back and creative vibe, a good high from bud, will yield.
I have been re-discovering the hallucinogenic effects of good bud. You won't trip your face in like el cid, but for relaxed and creative studio sessions, its, firm, sustained high, simply rocks my world. And on top of that, you can go to a restaurant after the studio with the missus, and enjoy your dinner, without licking your eyeballs.
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Posted : Jan 14, 2011 19:35
yes i get your point totally, i remember when Hux flux and Logic Bomb was forest trance, Too me it still is. But i guess things changes, evolution or something, hehe
But too me darkpsy is music like,
like annoying and repeating and driving and chewing, nagging, Most of the time i dont like it, but some tracks can be good, but i think they do to few changes and it just sounds way too annoying after a while and really frustrating.
I like clever music that dont overdo the high pitch effect. also changes are important, changes that flow together, if you are skilled i think you can take all thats good from every sub genre i psy and merge into something cool.
But also i think all this music has a place, both emotionally and for the sake of diversion, to really be able to appreciate all things. Hmm what an enlightenment, maybe i should think about this more almost like" without war there cant be peace"
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Posted : Jan 14, 2011 19:41
btw i try to stay away from drugs even if there is a love to getting stoned i also think it has its downsides, dunno if im going through a phase or a real change, i would like it to be a real change and maybe if i want to catch up on buds when im getting older i will, but right now i feel i want to be as clean in my head as possible, hopefully inspiration will come anyway or i will find something else to stimulate it with. I dont know if its about control or to let the brain balance out and start working its own pharmacy.
But its hard to resist when you smell it or see it! Just like a pussy! lol
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Posted : Jan 14, 2011 22:23
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On 2011-01-14 17:31:03, aciduss wrote:
So, that's what we do pretty much isn't it?
This is Psychedelic Trance, we design a roller coaster experience filled with earcandy and beautiful sonic scenery on a pulsating beat to make people dance and trip away!
What do you think about this? Do you have this in mind while producing? I do know great music will sound great under psychedelics but specially designed sounds for the acid experience for example can make a real difference on the tripper.
it all depends the tracks, not all psytrance have to be psychedelic, look at all the cheesy stuff for example i guess they think more to groopies than making people trip when composing.
it just depends what track you want to make, if you want to make the most hallucinogenic psytrance you aim it that way yes, it won t come by error into the track .
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Posted : Jan 14, 2011 22:38
ya know, i've always wondered what counts as psychedelic. mainly cause i've been through so many phases in my psychedelic use.
like, 5 years ago, i was a total head and i liked dark stuff like terranoise and the like.
now i'm sober and meditate and do yoga and generally tend to stick to spiritual moving things. and now i listen to forest and ajja and twilight and ocelot and such.....
so i have to wonder, why do we stick things in the categories or psy/not psy? doesn't it vary from person to person? maybe some people with a head full of lucy want to listen to dark psy all night, making it a psychedelic experience to them?
is psycedelic more than a drug thing? if so, i think we should re-classify the psychedelic terminology. honestly, i get more tripped out sober doing shamanic trance work than anything i ever ate as a head.....
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Posted : Jan 15, 2011 03:06
real psychedelic music hits you like a drug, even if you are not on drugs. it gives a kind of trippy pleasure.. only for those who like it and understand it
and what I mean by psychedelic is not just psytrance, is music with some sort of psychedelism in it.
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Posted : Jan 15, 2011 03:44
When I make music, it is important to me for the music to be a vehicle that unfolds a psychedelic experience, so to say a journey to the inner realm, inside you.
My idea usually is to have the music make the psychedelic experience happen, not the pill. We have probably almost all taken the pill at one time or another with that kind of music, I like it most when the pill is not needed.
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Psychedelic music is psychedelic even without drugs,if it is not psychedelic without drugs it is not psychedelic at all.Under influnece everything is psychedelic so this is no criterium to judge what is psychedelic at this state or what not.
Also today's music under psytrance category is almost never psychedelic ,it is in best case experimental sound design or monotone machine techno which is nice but not psychedelic at all on its own.It follows the same pattern like taken from a books of old rules.Exceptions exist though.
Only very few arist of today really care to make their music truely psychedelic from heart even though all call their music psychedelic.
To create a psychedelia we need more than just a nice sound design with lots of effects of interesting plug ins,what got lost in the last years are truely emphasis on psychedelic melodies,scales and states by notes that create psychedelic moods and worlds.
There is a lot talk of it but almost nothing released like this in the last years..or last decade.
Personaly I rarely take drugs in my life,the last time I smoked one was last year tbh but it can change again with smoking,than on the other side I love making music in hallucinogenic state even though it does not happen often but that is like it is each time I have a loving fun and an expirience and those tracks I really like and keep for later,maybe finish even at some point.
So ,sound design good production and tralalala is nice but not psychedelic,psychedelic is touching your soul because the composition is truely psychedelic IMO and not the nice produced sound design or the latest plug ins lol.
And under drugs all is seen as psychedelic,some bit more some tracks less.Good psychedelic is when closing eyes landing on another world and dream enjoy away without any drugs even.
btw I like some dark sometimes,last times got me bored though ,but imo this isn't psychedelic music it's hardcore music with dark elements and experimental sound design.
It can make yu jump like speedy gonzales on speed but well death metal or ska can too.
Very few I would call psychedelic from this genre.Some are great though.Full on I know not a track that is psycedelic it should be in the candy shops supermarket music,progressive is hard not to get bored to but that is personal taste I dont want to generalize it,there is very few good goa acid trance that is truely psychedelic and of course for sure from all something good just I don't feel it but other feel different for sure and its good like that.
Psychedelic should not be limited to one something it should be a healthy fusion of all and above of it.
The old goa style was psychedelic because of their psychedelic melodies and that's why it will stay always as psychedelic.We mostly remember strong motives created from a strong melody.All other is as psychedelic as britney spears on cocaine.Nice for a month ,maybe a summer,maybe or as long as the drug affects and this for many years meanwhile is like this.Good we have great exceptions and tastes and opinions are different.
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Posted : Jan 15, 2011 04:37
in my opinion truly psychedelic music needs a certain amount of subtlety. a "BAM! in your face" type of track will sound memorable to sober people and make people on pills go mad on the dancefloor, but will not resonate with people on psychedelics that much. recent fullon has lost it's subtlety completely, replacing it with anthems and formulaic break-build-build-build structures, while most darkpsy has replaced subtlety with a wall of noise/glitch. even a lot of progressive lacks subtlety and features minimalism instead and even some newschool goa replaced it with too many seemingly random melodies.
in addition to that psychedelic music needs a certain complexity in most (but not all) cases and the individual elements to talk to each other or to "form a web" of sound. not being too dark and not being too happy also helps a great deal just like a "mysterious" atmosphere does.
and of course it also needs that special feeling ("immaterial"?, "ethereal"?) that cannot be discribed in words.
i'll give a few examples of what i call highly psychedelic goa-/psytrance. a track says more than 1000 words ( ;-) ) :
Hallucinogen - LSD
Morphem - My Plan
Chi-A.D. - Biocandy
Artha - Mystical Change
FREq - Strange Attractor
Protonica - Hall der Waldgeister
Logic Bomb - Drop Out
Hux Flux - Numbers
MWNN - Space Juice
Cosma - Minimal Vertical
Psykovsky - Lastbus Madrus
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Posted : Jan 15, 2011 04:51
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Under influnece everything is psychedelic
i must disagree here. there are things that aren't even psychedelic when on drugs. a friend once told me that he found a cheaply designed printed paper inlay of a cd-r that would be 100% normal, while he was tripping his face off with everything else in sight utterly transformed. his fellow trippers agreed that this paper inlay was the most un-psychedelic thing they've ever encountered
) I know the feeling, I know which sounds I love micro-analyzing as they come out of the P.A., what riffs I like, general balance between wild FX versus "conventional" ripping HPF saw leads.
almost like" without war there cant be peace"
