jekvan
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Posted : Oct 18, 2011 14:12
This Bar Mitzwa and his other nicknames might be a troll dude,but he is also right.
Psy today puts the term psychedelic music to shame,after all those years great artists worked their asses off to bring us mesmerizing music.
After the last party Ive been I don't want even to make psy,the crowd was all juvenile narcomans,the music was shitty cliche dark ,too much sketchy types for my liking.
Way to reduce what once was great music,to some "weekend club music" ,which promotes nothing more then extensive usage of drugs for pleasure purposes . At least club music doesn't hide the fact that its simple,for simple weekend fast pleasure purposes.Not some fucking mascarade of fairies and eastern philosophy mascots,while the music in background throws out cliche "universal love,harmony,higher vibrations",and all those slogans.When at times it is nothing more then some huge ass drug fest.
Thats a fucking face of a lost generation,and we are the trumpets of that orchestra...
From all the things I lost,that sandwitch cost me most :)
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Posted : Oct 18, 2011 16:08
for me trippy drums, soundscapes.. ever evolving.. richness of vibration that pulls you into the groove and high... and low.. make you drift
re-arrange what you thought was real
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After the last party Ive been I don't want even to make psy,the crowd was all juvenile narcomans,the music was shitty cliche dark ,too much sketchy types for my liking.
Way to reduce what once was great music,to some "weekend club music" ,which promotes nothing more then extensive usage of drugs for pleasure purposes . At least club music doesn't hide the fact that its simple,for simple weekend fast pleasure purposes.Not some fucking mascarade of fairies and eastern philosophy mascots,while the music in background throws out cliche "universal love,harmony,higher vibrations",and all those slogans.When at times it is nothing more then some huge ass drug fest.
Thats a fucking face of a lost generation,and we are the trumpets of that orchestra...
Hey I feel you. I have a very deep and fundamental conflict with this whole psytrance thing. I love the music, the trance, the psychedeliah and all the pretty colored good vibe stuff but this is not it... sunrise in almost any party around here is something I'm almost always willing to exchange for more bed hours and lazy sunday, maybe I'm just getting old but there is no wonderland in psy... not much respect, for artists, for the music for the people themselves.
Too much decadence, nasty scenarios, garbage and beer smell + incense and pot smoke... makes me sad all the time. I hate ending up trippin on stuff like "what the fuck do i have in common with all this ppl" yeah we all like drugs and music but there are clearly different levels of gtin wasted, like sometimes a party is not the place to rape your dignity.
I still enjoy night time and well organized events, most of these occur only in clubs... and the music is not psytrance of course which is sad too... psytrancers are seen as the wild, wacko children in the electronic music panorama. Is not something that is taken too seriously as other genres.
It is as if the hippy vibe wasnt totally working on the psytrance thing... we all know PLUR is dead and nobody believes in nothing anymore... money and drugs own the parties, and of course Satan is behind everything... illusion of enlightenment just to keep the business on, JK.
Still it has certain beauty and makes me think of all the good chances of this evolving into something good. Which might take place in the near future along with all the other changes the world will surely face.
So let us preserve the good teachings of The Psychedelic Mind and keep an eye on our beloved scene which seems to be so rotten that hopefully new life may spring from it like fungi do from cowshit.
Sorry for long post, i was bored - ~
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Posted : Oct 19, 2011 07:49
fuck man… you sound like me….
i can't connect with 99% of the people in my local scene. they have no commitment to the earth and focus more on getting high and partying than trying to move our world forward.
i want my events to be biofuel powered with people that are trying to make the world a better place.
instead i get a bunch of acid freaks that think it's more important to be "all accepting" and "being positive" than to make what we love something sustainable and eco compatible.
i wasn't around for the start of all this, and truth to tell i like the music now more than the older stuff, but it's really hard for me to get down with the people that i do events for. i hit trance state in minutes using a movement technique i developed through dance. most of the people just kind of stand around or go outside to smoke cigs and talk about "oh what a righteous party! you know, i was so fucked up one time!!!! etcetc"
honestly, i stepped away from all that noise and have been focusing on my personal spiritual path instead of trying to explain it to a bunch of hippied out rave kids….
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Posted : Oct 19, 2011 10:04
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On 2011-10-18 14:12, jekvan wrote:
Psy today puts the term psychedelic music to shame,after all those years great artists worked their asses off to bring us mesmerizing music.
After the last party Ive been I don't want even to make psy,the crowd was all juvenile narcomans,the music was shitty cliche dark ,too much sketchy types for my liking.
The last festival I went to this summer was exactly the opposite. A lot of good new and old music played. Some people span music from the '90s and people loved it. Total Eclipse played both a "new school" live set with their new stuff and an "old school" live set with their old stuff.
There were 3 stages, trance/techno/fusion. And you could spot the people that were having it at the trance stage, also dancing their tits off that the techno stage...some of them dancers were veteran psy-trane artists that even played a set on the techno stage and a set on the trance stage...open mindedness all around.
All I am saying is, choose your parties wisely, what you experienced (and although it happens more often as we get older) is not all there is to it.
I can't connect with a lot of the younger crowds in my local scene, but then again I don't have to. I just do my thing without getting upset with them doing their thing.
Them dark psy parties (and the music) are in no way connected with the trance parties (and music) that I grew to love.
So why get upset and waste energy about something that is completely unrelated to the music I love?
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Posted : Oct 19, 2011 10:25
yeah but for goa partys you need maxxximum input!!!
everything that you find: EAT IT, SNIFF IT and lets rock the paaardyyy!!!
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Bar they are talking about deep shit, and u post such a bullshit as a answer :S
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Posted : Oct 19, 2011 12:43
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On 2011-10-19 10:04, disco hooligans wrote:
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On 2011-10-18 14:12, jekvan wrote:
Psy today puts the term psychedelic music to shame,after all those years great artists worked their asses off to bring us mesmerizing music.
After the last party Ive been I don't want even to make psy,the crowd was all juvenile narcomans,the music was shitty cliche dark ,too much sketchy types for my liking.
The last festival I went to this summer was exactly the opposite. A lot of good new and old music played. Some people span music from the '90s and people loved it. Total Eclipse played both a "new school" live set with their new stuff and an "old school" live set with their old stuff.
There were 3 stages, trance/techno/fusion. And you could spot the people that were having it at the trance stage, also dancing their tits off that the techno stage...some of them dancers were veteran psy-trane artists that even played a set on the techno stage and a set on the trance stage...open mindedness all around.
All I am saying is, choose your parties wisely, what you experienced (and although it happens more often as we get older) is not all there is to it.
I can't connect with a lot of the younger crowds in my local scene, but then again I don't have to. I just do my thing without getting upset with them doing their thing.
Them dark psy parties (and the music) are in no way connected with the trance parties (and music) that I grew to love.
So why get upset and waste energy about something that is completely unrelated to the music I love?
/off topic
Peace out.
I guess you are absolutely right,its a matter of choosing the right crew.The thing is that the old stuff looses the magic as you hear it over and over and over again,you crave for something new and exciting.
I guess I will not be the only one who says this : We all had parties with our favorite artist,whom we have heard time and time and times at our home,and then he was out and played his set,and we were "meh".And at the same times,we were at parties without expectation,and then this guy who we never heard off came out,and we were "who is this guy?"
So,lately,I'm having too much of first and nearly not enough of second.I mean,old is gold but its heard.Thousand of times,it is written in our neural pathways and it is in our muscle memory.Not nearly exciting anymore.And the newcomers?
When some guy who has his DAW for 2 years,and finishes tunes in one week,I know there is problem.Because he is no Shostakovitch,he has limited knowledge of melody and harmony,and his rhythmical section is good only because he has DAW and rhythmical plugins to help him for that.Also,the newcomers do not experiment,they just copy the sound in some hope for fame.They work like engineers and not artists.And nearly not one in our ADHD generation and fast satisfaction mentality have the patience for sitting more then couple of weeks on his tune.And shit,I tell that as a focking newbie ass producer.
And that is not my problem,because you can find shit musicians in every musical aspect,hell,you can find shitty craftsmen in nearly any and every art.What bothers me is the abundance of labels who are willing to sign those,and party crews will to give them a stage.
The last ones ,in their wish to make some money out of the parties will do "stuff",in which booking the shit artists is the least worry.But I want to talk about the booking of shit artists.Here in Israel,the big ones do that a lot,they have one/two known artists (not necessarily good,just known),and to plug the holes between them they will bring the "fast food" version of psy-which is dark,or fullon,or any general no-brainer clubbish sound.The artists are cheap,there are tons and tons of newcomers which release tons of shit music every shitty month,so hellz yea lets bring those.
Which makes a closed feedback loop of "ok,it seems dark is growing popular those days,lets make those tunes" type of artists,without vision,without talent,without smarts and without feel.It is funny that in sorta underground scenes,the need to be famous is much more present ,but it is there and it brings psy beyond the point of return.It can bring psy to mainstream actually,because of its new harsh sound ,but for me it will be for all the wrong reasons.
Tell me Disco,which new psy artists you heard lately,and really enjoyed?I mean,not the "hmm,its ok,I can hear it,yea it is nice,why not?",but the ones that made you go "holly shit hellz yea".You have to dig deep to find them,and the digging keeps on getting harder.
Disclaimer:I have no problem with dark music ,if it has idea like Xenomorph music .But not the sound today of one screaming lead blasting throwout the track,with the search of getting the BPM higher and higher,with them lost generation kids who are here because even they cannot stand that fullon sound anymore.
Rant over.
From all the things I lost,that sandwitch cost me most :)
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Posted : Oct 19, 2011 12:55
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On 2011-10-19 12:43, jekvan wrote:
Tell me Disco,which new psy artists you heard lately,and really enjoyed?I mean,not the "hmm,its ok,I can hear it,yea it is nice,why not?",but the ones that made you go "holly shit hellz yea".
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The last festival I went to this summer was exactly the opposite. A lot of good new and old music played. Some people span music from the '90s and people loved it. Total Eclipse played both a "new school" live set with their new stuff and an "old school" live set with their old stuff.
There were 3 stages, trance/techno/fusion. And you could spot the people that were having it at the trance stage, also dancing their tits off that the techno stage...some of them dancers were veteran psy-trane artists that even played a set on the techno stage and a set on the trance stage...open mindedness all around.
Wow... maybe I just have to travel to far away lands in search of the still good parties
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Posted : Oct 19, 2011 18:39
was maybe the only good partie from the whole summer there.. we are fucked man good luck to get good parties almost every week end.
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Posted : Oct 21, 2011 12:34
Psychedelia:
Personal, internal, non-formal, unusual, uncommon experiences, imaginings, ideas, visions, creations, thought-toys, and other products of consciousness unique and distinct from the typical, mundane, routine products of day-to-day consciousness.
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WHAT THE FUCK DH?
you call such things trippy?
pfff...
check diss:
In response, music that i find the most psychedelic other than the obvious(forest trance ect), especially on high doses of strong psychedelics, is Plaid
an example:
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On 2011-10-21 12:34, mudpeople wrote:
Psychedelia:
Personal, internal, non-formal, unusual, uncommon experiences, imaginings, ideas, visions, creations, thought-toys, and other products of consciousness unique and distinct from the typical, mundane, routine products of day-to-day consciousness.
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