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Ascension
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On 2008-11-19 18:16, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
aaaa ok! you are not even talking about the zero gravity. by the way this article that you posted is written by a lama, and not by a scientist, or do i see wrong? so if i were an engineer i would try to hold to the science and not to the lamas:))))))).
the common thing between the theory of tesla and that article that you posted, is that both deny albert einstein. tesla stated that there is the so called ether everywhere around between the objects in space and there he searched for the energy ( or prana or whatever other term from any given culture we prefer to make a common language of terms: the "space" of Universal Consciousness.  )
he stated that the theory of relativity is just wrong which is the same approach with the quantum mechanics - it proves einstein wrong.
the difference between your article and the theory of tesla, is that the first is just a philosofical approach and the second one is done by a scientist:)))). so you may be first talk with the terms of a scientist before saying that zero gravity is impossible.)) i am curious to hear some facts from a professional ))) not only the demagoguery of the obscurants so to say.
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I saw who wrote the article, it's just a simple explanation of the zero point energy experiment. There are plenty of articles written by scientists that basically say the same thing, but in more complex terms that I wasn't sure some people would understand (not to downplay anyone's intelligence, I just know that quantum mechanics is confusing as hell).
As far as Tesla's theories, I've read those too. The concept of the ether was thrown out several decades ago, so that's no longer relevant. His other devices that convert solar and cosmic rays into energy are neat, but don't work as efficiently as current methods do (horray for nanotechnology), so they are also out of date.
What is this zero gravity you are speaking of? Is it the same as zero point energy (free energy)? That's what Aluxe and I were discussing before.
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moki
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 19:13
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you see, mate, your posts are cute but i cannot be persuaded that you have read so much about tesla and the free energy, as you stated, if you dont even know what antigravity or zero gravity is even most of the books written on tesla, secret knowledge and ufos and whatever, use the word anti gravity or zero gravity. same thing:).
but i am still waiting for you to check out any serious scientifical information on anti gravity cause i am sure that you will understand it better than i would. and then if you want you could write again to us ( or at least to some of us, cause the rest would clearly have no clue about any scientifical fact but you can rely onn that: some of us do read very seriously what you say and all the facts even on quantum mechanics are welcome). so you can write again to us and tell us why you think it does not work. but not with critisisng a ratio that you obviously dont even know how much it is exactly.
but of course it will never happen if you go straight with preconditioned thinking and if you only believe the things that have been " not thrown out several decades ago". i mean, who has thrown it???? and exactly this should actually be the main point in this topic according to me. the demagoguery of the obscurants. dont trust them people. it is as simple as that. even the whole education system could be totally manipulated.
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 20:02
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I know what anti-gravity is. I have never heard it called zero gravity before (doesn't seem like the correct term as zero and anti are not the same thing - anti is a negative and zero is the absence of something). I clearly stated the tesla experiments I read about (the solar and cosmic ray converter and his discussion about ether) so I don't know why you think I haven't read up on that.
Those devices tesla came up with were purely theoretical as at that time in his life he lacked the money to fund such research. I still don't know what you are trying to discuss exactly. Please speak in more specific terms. Saying I don't know something about tesla or anti-gravity is a VERY broad statement. I also gave a concise explanation on why zero point energy does not work, which you did not respond to. If you are trying to get a point across, please state it clearly instead of claiming I don't know what I'm talking about over and over again.
Also, the people who threw out the concept of the ether is every scientist from about 1940 til the present. Quantum mechanics and string theory prove there is no ether. The theory of the ether was just a "fill in the blank" theory where scientists insisted that there must be a medium through which matter moves. http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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moki
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 20:21
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well i assumed that you dont know so much of the theory just because i saw that you critisise a ratio of in and out energy and if i ask you what ratio do you think is extremely small, you dont answer anything and refer to an article ( which is not even scientifical). and i think you are talking in broader terms than i do. i said ration one to 10. working. of course i could talk in detail here but i guess enough people already did in the internet before me so i better not lose time.....and besides, yes i am not an engineer, i have studied something else so i guess i could not be as precise as needed in the details. i am talking mostly of experience and things that i ve seen.
and zero gravity is only the zero point where the free energy starts .
here is one movie for you , then you know that zero gravity and antigravity are both important parts of the theory of tesla and i can hardly believe that you never come across the zero point of tesla if you knew his theories. btw i hope you do know that there are some papers of him that have never been published.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7365305906535911834&q
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 20:50
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Since the equations include many greek letters I can't exactly type them out here to show you how small the output of energy is compared to the input. Just a quick glance at the equations provided in the wikipedia article of the Casimir Effect show how small the output force is. From the article: "the Casimir force per unit area Fc / A is very small, and that furthermore, the force is inherently of quantum-mechanical origin" (aka it's RIDICUOUSLY SMALL). When something is said to be on the quantum mechanical level, it means it is incredibly small. The sheer fact that this relies on virtual particle pairs is another major red flag to me that its output will be tiny.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect
As I said, an understanding of quantum mechanics makes it obvious that this energy is not applicable at anything other than a microscopic scale. When the article started discussing using the casimir force to calculate Van der Waals forces that to me said "very very small output". We aren't going to be running planes or cars on this type of energy EVER. It is just not physically possible.
Also, many scientists have papers that aren't published. http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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moki
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 21:17
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it is not physically possible? what you mean is "not logically possible according to my knowledge "
even if you are right with the quantum, although i believe that tesla dealt with slightly different fields of physics, but even if you do: microscopical level is not an argument. if you have enough of the small " drops in an ocean" , what you have is an ocean at the end.
dude, those people even use the whole theories for changing the weather and for weather wars ...and i guess, you are right that we cannot get too scientifical here, cause it is a trance forum and not a " new world order" forum. but at least try to find out more detail about it before denying. cause the zero gravity you know from your studies is not the zero gravity known in the theories of tesla. and if a scientist does not publish his theories because anyone interests would have been hurt, then it is a totally different story.
it is now 2008, and it is not a secret anymore that they use the waves for projecting the frequence into our heads. they did in russia and they did in israel and they did in america ( i mean those are officially uncovered truths, about other countries i dont know but i am sure they did there also). you know all those things or you deny them too????
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 21:42
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You ocean analogy doesn't fit here. The ratio is like trying to move a building by having an ant push against it. Sure if you had billions and billions of ants, the building might move, but that's not going to happen and since there are methods more efficient than this, we use those instead. It's a matter of energy input to output, not a sheer quantity of something that makes it impossible for usage on a grand scale.
Tesla's theories aren't possible because he doesn't use quantum mechanics (the only possible field in which to get free energy of any sort due to virual particle pairs). There is no physically possible way to get free energy with classical physics which are uncorrelated to quantum mechanics (underlining rules of classical physics prohibit this outright). This plight deals with the search for the Theory of Everything (which we don't need to get into here).
The main point I am trying to get across is that the quantum level is so inconceivably small that its effects on a macro scale (one which we can observe) go unnoticed. If you think that gathering billions of ants to move a building is a good idea, then go ahead with researching free energy. If you see the obvious failings in this, it is best to move on and improve current methods or explore other feasible alternative. I am not trying to downplay your intelligence, I just want you to realize the scale in which we are discussing.
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LumaDaylight
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 23:18
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thanks a lot man |
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moki
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Posted : Nov 20, 2008 00:28
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Quote:"If you think that gathering billions of ants to move a building is a good idea, then go ahead with researching free energy"
oh, yeah, if something would give me independence and freedom of big oil companies and thus indepence of governements leading wars for oil, then i definitely find it a good idea. keep in mind that it is not ants what we are talking about, it is just particles, so there are no living creatures in the formula either....
cause freedom is the most precious thing in life anyway. and besides i think that you are all the time trying to prove wrong a theory connected to electricity waves by means of showing on quantum level that they are insignificantly unimportant. and every child knows that we have to be precautious while talking about quantum experiements, cause the particles behave in accordance to the experimentator, they seem to be implied by the ones who thinks about them only by telepathy anyway. which is also a stunning thing but belongs to another discussion.
and you did not answer what you think of the weather wars. for instance whole huricanes redirected from one position to the other by moving simple particles. and actually i would go and research it if i were an engineer, but i am not. you are.
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Posted : Nov 20, 2008 15:59
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I know about the weather wars stuff. I just didn't realize you asked a question about it .
What's to say? Sounds pretty terrible. However, I don't see it worth my time to worry about it. It's gonna happen or it's not, such is life. All worrying does is negatively affect your health. It's like sitting in a rocking chair, gives you something to do, but doesn't get you anywhere.
Quick factoid: scientists have said that over 90% of illnesses are either caused or complicated by stress/worrying. I like to stay health, so I don't worry about many things
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moki
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Posted : Nov 20, 2008 17:10
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yeah but if they even have the power to create tsunami waves themselves with the machine, then yes i would worry about it for a while or at least ask some questions.
i mean, is it just a collective vision of so many people right now on the planet that they see apocalypse visions in front of their eyes? what does it all mean? why do most ancient cultures tell us about this time : the bibel code, the mayas, the koran and many more. what is happening all around???? i am not worried, if we are gonna die, we die anyway but i did start to read mostly literature on that some time ago, and it fits more and more to the puzzle with every further detail. what is this, that is happening here on this planet??? and what should be more worth my time than worring about this situation???? yesterday i had the most horrible vision or to be exact lusid dreaming being with my body in bed here in berlin but at the same time there at this very particular room from the release of xenomorph. it was such a crazy dream, so frightening and so intensly real. what the fuck is happening right now on this planet and why is everyone so worried about all other stuff rather than just ask himself what shit is going on up there.
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LumaDaylight
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Posted : Nov 20, 2008 17:52
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well shit the paypal was messin up on the gnostic website..guess ill have to wait then to get it |
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Posted : Nov 23, 2008 19:25
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Posted : Dec 2, 2008 15:23
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Interesting concept! |
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