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Aluxe
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 23:57
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wouldn't you do anything possible to stop this new technology from coming out regardless if it's good for nature or not? I probably would.
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well hopefully YOU wouldn't. But the people behind the oil companies are not very shanti, shanti. Look at the war in iraq, thats the extent they will go too. So theatening or buying out a new inventor with his water powered car is not a big deal for them. Its like the drug cartels. They will kill without a thought to keep the power and control they have. Well the oil industry is a bigger, nastier and more organized mafia and basically controls the goverment. Its less obvious because its legal but it if they control the energy they control the money. And they are going to use the power they have to keep the control. |
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Ascension
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 00:01
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On 2008-11-17 23:54, Aluxe wrote:
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Free energy is not real- even the theories are flawed. Please realize this. Just because you want something to be real, doesn't make it so.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thats what they would have you believe, its all a hoax. These technologies are just not reliable, yadaydayada. Who is telling you this shit? think about it.
Check this page out, it talks about some of the free technologies:
http://www.theorionproject.org/en/research.html
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I'm an engineer. I know a LOT about physics. You don't even really need to know anything outside basic thermodynamic principles to see the HUGE flaws in zero point (free) energy.
If you have knowledge of quantum mechanics it makes the flaws even more aparent. It's just not possible to have 100% efficiency, end of story.
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Aluxe
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 00:09
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On 2008-11-18 00:01, Ascension wrote:
If you have knowledge of quantum mechanics it makes the flaws even more aparent. It's just not possible to have 100% efficiency, end of story.
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Did you check out the page I sent you?
Obviously many great scientists disagree with you. Many of these scientist apparently have actually seen the technology in use in black operations in the military. There are countless accounts.
So I don't need to fully understand how the technology works, I do not need to understand the physics even.
All I need to know is that this shit works. Period. |
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Ascension
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 00:10
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That quantum vacuum theory has been proven to work. I have read about the tests where they used it to move microscopic objects. However, this requires EXTREME energies to be able to control this environment.
"The conditions to create anything more than a scattering of subatomic particles would require extremely high energies and a control of the process far beyond any practical ability, at least with our present means."
From here: http://www.cosmiclight.com/ofquasarsandquanta/vacuum.htm
This does not equal FREE energy. This is the same as thinking an electric car does not pollute. Where does the electricity that powers it come from? Power plants! Same with this, the ratio of energy out to energy in is EXTREMELY small.
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Aluxe
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 09:17
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"The conditions to create anything more than a scattering of subatomic particles would require extremely high energies and a control of the process far beyond any practical ability, at least with our present means."
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Our present means? Well our present means would have to include all the technology and science that is kept secret. And apparently we are already building our own UFO’s after reverse-engineering the energy systems of actual UFOs recovered from crashes. There are hundreds of insiders and scientists who have documented all this. Ofcourse this information does not reach too many people because it is highly classified and only a little bit leaks out through whistleblowers and other people brave enough to talk about what they witness, plus there are billions of dollars invested in disinformation so that if the information comes out it is debunked, ridiculed and not taken seriously.
And obviously these alien technologies are impossible to conceive within our present accepted technological framework. But that is exactly my point, that we are been kept out of the loop. You may be a scientist and may understand a great deal of physics and advanced theories and concepts. However just like the technology is kept classified, so is a great deal of the physics and science behind it, that’s why it’s impossible for mainstream science to conceive these energy systems as been realistic or even possible. If the physics associated with the functioning of these energy systems were a commonly known process in the academic and scientific community these technologies would also be accepted. But that is not the case.
You have to understand these projects are highly classfied, even people in very high government positions wont have a clue about them because of defense related issues and how the information is comparmentalized though different clearence levels. The lie is different on all levels. There are billions of dollaras invested in these covert projects and billions of dollars invested in the disinformation because it is an extremely sensitive topic with HUGE immplications to the current power structure in the world.
Please do your own research on this subject, it be great to get more opinions about this issue from people that actually investigate the issue SERIOUSLY. What I claim comes from reading and listening to a lot of reports from insiders that you can find on the internet. I can't know for sure that its all true, but after listening to so many you start concluding that they can't all be lying. It would not make sense. Like that video I posted about the disclosure project, I mean that is serious shit. These people are telling the truth of what they saw. |
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Ascension
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 16:02
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I have done plenty of research on zero point gravity. The link I posted explains it in detail and I understand it very very thoroughly. Don't put this past me at all, I know what I am talking about.
Many things in science are not currently viable, but we can theoretically conceive them. Worm holes and time travel are two aspects of theoretical physics which we have yet to observe (directly or indirectly), but have theories that postulate their existence.
Think about the LHC particle accelerator. We have theories about the Higgs Boson (fundamental aspect of matter), 11 dimensional space-time, etc. No one has seen these, but we have theories that make them a viable possibility.
All of the things you speak of are outside even some of the most extreme physics theories. You are just so willing to accept things as a government conspiracy that you believe things which don't even hold water in a theoretical setting. Like I said before, you are only believing these things because you WANT to believe them, you WANT to believe that the government is hiding something from you. Why are you so blindly following these things? There is more evidence to the contrary of what you've been told than there is to the other side. You may think these whistle blowers have no motives other than getting the truth out, but how can you be so sure? Are they someone you have trusted your whole life? Why are you so ready to believe people like this? Why do none of these people even provide theoretical proof of what they claim?
So much of this is in your head. Look for facts and proof before you accept something. Question everything you hear, don't accept things so blindly.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 18:52
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Kane
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 23:00
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+1 @ Ascension..I was planning on chiming in at some point, but you said it better than I can..
You believe in the users?
Yeah, sure. If I don't have a user, then who wrote me? |
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Aluxe
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 08:20
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I have done plenty of research on zero point gravity. The link I posted explains it in detail and I understand it very very thoroughly. Don't put this past me at all, I know what I am talking about.
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That’s cool, however I can’t be the judge of that because I am not a scientist. And so I have to rely on other means to decide who has the the truth. You know, just like you may say something is impossible another scientist might claim the opposite. And lets assume that the “free” technology is real and is been kept top secret. Well I would assume that unless you are involved in these secret operations, the technology and physics used will most likely be very foreign if not completely alien to you. Specially if the technology is back engeniered from alien technology.
And bare in mind that I am not claiming that the UFO technology coverup is an absolute fact. I can’t be totally sure, but in general I do belive there is a cover up going on. Because of the countless witness and their testimonies such as the disclosure project. Did you see that video? Most of those testimonies to me strike me as honest. From the body language, the details, their ranks in the military. And there are so many of these.
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Many things in science are not currently viable, but we can theoretically conceive them. Worm holes and time travel are two aspects of theoretical physics which we have yet to observe (directly or indirectly), but have theories that postulate their existence.
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Yeah I have heard of that. But even if you can not theoretically conceive something it doesn’t mean its impossible, specially if we are talking about a technology and science beyond what we can grasp with todays accepted scientific concepts.
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All of the things you speak of are outside even some of the most extreme physics theories.
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Well yes, if we are dealing with technology borrowed from an alien craft, that would make perfect sense.
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You are just so willing to accept things as a government conspiracy that you believe things which don't even hold water in a theoretical setting.
Like I said before, you are only believing these things because you WANT to believe them, you WANT to believe that the government is hiding something from you.
Why are you so blindly following these things?
There is more evidence to the contrary of what you've been told than there is to the other side.
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Wow, you seem to think you know a lot about me. Hehe.
First of all I don’t claim any of these things are an absolute fact.
And my reasons for believing are the following:
1)I saw a UFO myself in Mexico and I have many friends who have also seen these UFOs in the sky just like millions of other people (not just balloons in the sky). And you are going to tell me that the NASA and the military have not documented this? HELLO??? So there has to be a coverup. You know what I am saying? Or does this seem too far fetched to you? Am I blind for believing something I see with my own eyes?
2)I have experienced under the effects of psychedelics telepathy and a bunch of other psychic stuff which mainstream science denies is even possible. So that tells me that mainstream science even though it can be extremely useful is also in many ways quite orthodox and stuck in its own ass in regards to all this mumbo jumbo which I witnessed for myself. Or it is being kept out of the loop like with the UFO knowledge. And so when I hear stories about the military being involved in secret research projects involving psychic phenomena such as remote viewing and stuff similar to what I experienced too me it actually sounds very believable.
3)The worlds goverments are controlled by massive interests to serve those in power. And they are professional liars who spend billions in disinformation campains. I mean, for instance, does anybody actually believe that the war in iraq was to bring democracy for the people of Iraq or whatever their official story was? Obviuosly its not just George Bush in his bed coming up with all these ideas to go to war, there is an organized mafia of powerful interests behind this shit. Is this too far out? Am I blind here? There is the official story for the masses, and there is the real story behind the curtain. You may not want to call this a cover up or a conspiracy, but who are we kidding?
4)And finally all the testimonies of all the cia agents, military officials, etc and their testimonies. Even Edgar Mitchel who is one of the astronauts who walked on the moon believes there is a cover up. Yeah maybe they are all lying but when I consider the other reasons I explained along with what these testimonies it all does not seem that far fetched to me.
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You may think these whistle blowers have no motives other than getting the truth out, but how can you be so sure? Are they someone you have trusted your whole life? Why are you so ready to believe people like this?
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I can’t be totally sure, I know that.
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Why do none of these people even provide theoretical proof of what they claim?
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Many of these witnessse have provided detailed information on the projects and technology used. I am not qualified to judge for myself. One of them is Bob Lazar, who has been called just about everything. So who knows, maybe he is a fraud but there is one example.
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So much of this is in your head. Look for facts and proof before you accept something. Question everything you hear, don't accept things so blindly.
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Well I saw the ufo with my eyes, not my head. And I explained the other reasons already. |
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Ascension
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 16:34
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Aluxe- you should know that the current zero point energy technology is not covered up in any way. The research has been well documented (it's called the casimir effect and there's even a wikipedia article on it).
Remote viewing is also well documented as is the CIA's research into it during the 70s.
These are not what I would consider to be cover-ups in the sense I see you talking about it.
As far as the UFO sighting you mentioned, that is irrelevant to what we were discussing before (as is remote viewing). Obviously a personal experience like this would change one's perspective on things so I can see where you are coming from. Then again, how certain are you that what you saw was a UFO?
Believe in whatever you want to, I'm just far less inclined to believe things without absolute proof. I'm not dismissing any of this as a possibility, but I have no reason to believe any of this outright.
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moki
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 17:30
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Ok you are an engineer. Interesting. What do you mean with that:
"Same with this, the ratio of energy out to energy in is EXTREMELY small."
what do you call extremely small. if you have a ratio of one to ten,in to out. is it extremely small? i mean it is then a kind of perpeto mobile if you only have the first portion to put into the thing? and there are even machines with much bigger ratio, the ones used by hitler as flying objects. but lets stay by one to ten, this is a fact that i have seen working. what do you think, this is a small ratio?
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Ascension
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 18:03
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On 2008-11-19 17:30, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
Ok you are an engineer. Interesting. What do you mean with that:
"Same with this, the ratio of energy out to energy in is EXTREMELY small."
what do you call extremely small. if you have a ratio of one to ten,in to out. is it extremely small? i mean it is then a kind of perpeto mobile if you only have the first portion to put into the thing? and there are even machines with much bigger ratio, the ones used by hitler as flying objects. but lets stay by one to ten, this is a fact that i have seen working. what do you think, this is a small ratio?
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A direct quote from the site I posted states that "it would take an enormous amount of energy to sustain a system like this [a quantum vacuum] just to move a few molecules". Sounds like the ratio is extremely small to me 
I just said I was an engineer so he could know some of my background and that I have a vast knowledge of physics.
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LumaDaylight
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 18:12
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does anyone know any websites where i can download it instead of ordering the cd |
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moki
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 18:16
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aaaa ok! you are not even talking about the zero gravity. by the way this article that you posted is written by a lama, and not by a scientist, or do i see wrong? so if i were an engineer i would try to hold to the science and not to the lamas:))))))).
the common thing between the theory of tesla and that article that you posted, is that both deny albert einstein. tesla stated that there is the so called ether everywhere around between the objects in space and there he searched for the energy ( or prana or whatever other term from any given culture we prefer to make a common language of terms: the "space" of Universal Consciousness. )
he stated that the theory of relativity is just wrong which is the same approach with the quantum mechanics - it proves einstein wrong.
the difference between your article and the theory of tesla, is that the first is just a philosofical approach and the second one is done by a scientist:)))). so you may be first talk with the terms of a scientist before saying that zero gravity is impossible.)) i am curious to hear some facts from a professional ))) not only the demagoguery of the obscurants so to say.
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 18:46
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