moki
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Posted : Nov 15, 2008 14:24
Very interesting posts Aluxe!
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And apparently there is free energy technology already. All the eco shit is all bullshit because we are not using the technology that is truly available already. It is kept from us by powerful interests. You know what I am saying, all these alternative energy fuels that you hear about are nothing compared to the technology that is being kept in black operations for the privilege of those in power to keep that power.
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Indeed, i also see this subject as one of the main things to be revealed. If the society would use the free energy according to the theories of Tesla, it would be a great step forwards, because it would make as much more independent of oil companies and paying bills. And still, why does it not get revealed yet? Forget the media, i guess, most of the people reading this thread, have already sort of killed their TV and dont get the information about whats going on in the world outside from the mainstream media. But you see, there are so many alternative places of media communication and i really dont know what is the problem if we would just start to use the theories of Tesla in order to get free energy. Are they gonna kill us for doing that, are they gonna put us in the black governement list, as they did with some people who wrote books about it ( like there is one name that could be familiar to some of you, it is a German author, Jan van Helsing, whose first books were put in the black list and forbidden for the public). But even if they put us there in the black list, i mean, can they do something against it , if we start to use free energy???? This is a question that i was thinking about for some time now and still no answer.
So i guess most of you know, that even in the first and second world wars this theory of Tesla has been used for creating flying objects. This is not a secret any more. Really not. I have seen some people who already used this technology in private fields, of course, i was strictly said that i should not talk about their thing anywhere, but the thing is, i ve seen this functioning. And can you imagine what we could do if we had the free energy finally going on. I mean, look at us all, we are so incredibly caught in this matrix, each of us, we need the infrastructure of this system otherwise we are dead. We cannot even write to each other in a free environment anymore, because you see, in order to write here, i have to first pay my bills to the telecomunication companies. And many other things: i do not produce my laptop myself, who knows what they put inside and whatever. Even the food, btw regarding food and all other basic things in society i find the projects of Vegetal totally amazing and interesting because he also has a very special message for the audience which he succeeds to transfer in a simple way. But you know, till the time comes when we are independent of the system, and have alternative ways to get our food, till then we are all just a small enslaved part of this big system that can do with us whatever it wants. That is why i see the necessity of going to eco villages. And unfortunately, without something like a free energy, it is very hard to do this all. Even an earthship ( http://www.earthship.net/ ) which is something that i am considering to move to one day, but even this costs hell of money, and i honestly dont have them so i guess i am staying in the system for now which is the worse thing. what to do to get out if you even need the system in order to get out...
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Posted : Nov 15, 2008 17:41
There need to be a Prometheus for the fire to be given to the world, even if that means he will have to bear the torture of his liver being eaten everyday.
Concerning the free energy issue , let us all hope for a another "Physicists' Consiracy" who will provide us with that knowledge so we can all focus on more humanitarian issues .
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On 2008-11-15 12:44, Aluxe wrote:
the power that our thoughts have on our perception and on our reality should not be undermined and I don't think we fully understand the power that our thoughts can have on the outside world either. Like maybe we can walk on water if we really have a lot of faith? The problem is that even if we want to believe we can do it at an uncounsious level we still don't really believe we can.
Well, Aluxe, my friend, I'm afraid it's not enough to believe in something to change the world around you- you have TO DO something about it.
You sound like The Secret.
And this is my best response:
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moki
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Posted : Nov 15, 2008 18:18
But the knowledge is already there, @ CRX(HSS Records) !
I mean you just have to type Nikola Tesla+Free energy and filter out the serious scientifical informations and you have it in the search machine. Right in front of your eyes ( consider writing it in as many search machines as needed cause even the search machines are now filtering out the information that they dont like, for instance google is filtering out certain websites that they think we should not see). Of course you will need some background knowledge in physics and mechanics to build it yourself but i guess even in every small alternative society like our trance circles are, you will find one or two people who know more about physics and can do this task.
And even the books out there, like just to make a small example:
The author Thomas Beardon who writes tons of literature about the electrified low frequency of Tesla and the mind washing of whole big cities due to those waves that are projected into our brains every single second of our lives. Lots of technical stuff in his book " Solutions of Teslas secrets and the Soviet Tesla Weapons"
"The cosmic conspiracy" by Stan Deyo, who is an ex pilot and tells us everything about the electrified low frequency of Tesla used as a war weapon.
Or the Anti gravity Handbook of Childress, or another from the same author about Vimana Aicrafts of ancient India and Atlantis....
And so many many more. Tons of them. So the knowledge is there - we are the ones who are not there. We choose to have a normal life as blind men, believe in whatever the system wants us to believe .
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Posted : Nov 15, 2008 19:26
Moki, I suggest you apply 1% of the critical thinking you use on "the real world" to the theories you talk about. C'mon mate, do you really think that if anyone who knows something about physics and mechanics could get free energy, it won't be all around us already?
Let's use some simple logic:
First option:
Assumption: The people who wrote the books about Tesla and all that free energy know physics and mechanics.
Question: Then why haven't they arranged free energy for themselves and us and just wrote a book?
Deduction: Writing books about free energy is much easier then actually producing it...
Second option:
Assumption: The people who wrote the books about Tesla and all that free energy don't know physics and mechanics.
Question: Can we seriously believe what they say?
Deduction: No!
I'm not trying to mock you mate, just saying that while it's good to be able to see beyond the obvious, see through the power currents and interests that run our world, doubt the mainstream media, be careful of the big corporates etc.; it's also quite important to be able to stay connected to reality and facts. And yes, there is a reality. Our perception of the universe might be subjective to a certain degree, but what Philip K. Dick meant in that quote I mentioned before was that if you try to walk through that wall in your room now- you're gonna break your nose, and it doesn't matter what you believe. You're not sure? Try it! Make an experiment and check the results (just maybe put your hands forward...).
Here's an important question for you- who's interests does conspiracy theories really serve?
Possible answer: people in power, people controlling the system- why? They keep a lot of people who are able to realize how things really work out of the system. These people hover in unrealistic worlds instead of actually making a difference here and now, and thus being a threat to the balance of power.
Think about it a little.
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Posted : Nov 15, 2008 19:46
Yeah, this is an interesting approach and actually i thought about it several times till now: that it is even possible that the illuminati theories are a product of the illuminati themselves....Which is quite a paradox BUT it is possible too! So generally i try to be critical towards illuminati stories too, especially if i read them through any intermediary and not read or hear them directly form the authors.
But in this particular case:
What if the free energy is already all around and we just dont know it, i mean, we = you and me and the freaks who read here?
Well, at least i have seen two people till now, that use it already, and built the thing on their own: one is a musician from a smaller country who actually had already problems with the military, even being in a very small non first world country . and the second one is an engineer who uses the waves for other purposes ( i mean other than getting energy for a home or getting energy for a whole UFO out of it). Both of them want me to be strictly silent about where they are and who they are and what they do.
So i guess there are much more than only two people, they are just hidden, because the goernment does not want that we use it, actually can you imagine how many billions of dollars the oil companies will lose if we started to use this in our cars, in our homes and everywhere, so i guess they are being threatened if they get too public about what they have done. So you never know what the people who wrote the books use, may be they do use this energy already.
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Posted : Nov 15, 2008 20:22
On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts.
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Here's an important question for you- who's interests does conspiracy theories really serve?
Well a lot people are ridiculed by pointing out what they witness. But a lot of these whistle blowers are not dedicated to making theories. They simply want the truth out.
BTW, I think we may be a bit naive when it comes to the supression of free energy.
There are very powerful interests behind. Like come on, lets not pretend this isn't so. They will kill thousands if not millions just to keep control on oil through war, and feed you with whatever nonsense about the reasons why. Am I wrong about this? So is this not conspiracy?
Please consider this:
"The energy industry is the biggest industry in the world. The oil industry which controls the world’s power supply makes around 6 trillion dollars per year. This is bigger than drugs, bigger than defense and bigger than the military. These companies are so big that “they regulate the government which regulates them.” This pretty much means that these companies are so big and powerful that they do not have to answer to anybody and can do whatever they want, as long as no one hears about anything."
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Posted : Nov 16, 2008 08:04
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C'mon mate, do you really think that if anyone who knows something about physics and mechanics could get free energy, it won't be all around us already?
Well its not that simple. Some of these technoligies are not that easy to make and require a lot of funding and support from many different areas to get them properly working so they are available to the public.
Check this video out, its about the Orion Project but they explain what I am saying a bit:
and check this other video out where he explains the suppression of this technology:
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C'mon mate, do you really think that if anyone who knows something about physics and mechanics could get free energy, it won't be all around us already?
Well its not that simple. Some of these technoligies are not that easy to make and require a lot of funding and support from many different areas to get them properly working so they are available to the public.
Agree, there are a shit load of young new companies with inventors that are working on clean cars for instance, and surprisingly they never get any funding.
For instance you have a French inventor that has made cars that run on compressed air, so you'd think well great the car industry should look into to it, of course they don't they'd get to much pressure from the oil companies if they do...
anyway it's just about profit in the end.
On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts.
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^^ If they need funding they are not free, if they're not being funded is because they're more expensive that technologies being used today.
they will find their way into everydays life as oil price rise...
As Shabar mentions almost all "truths" about the politcal system are out there in books and academic journals. We know what is wroing: the state being used to manipulate markets and favor some special interests fro the war on drugs passing from all pork barrel policy, to fiscal incentives to bad practices... All of that informtion is avaible.
And then if you look at NGO's you will find thousands of people really working on fixing all those unattended issues, making the real difference.
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Free energy is not real- even the theories are flawed. Please realize this. Just because you want something to be real, doesn't make it so.
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^^ If they need funding they are not free, if they're not being funded is because they're more expensive that technologies being used today.
As if things were that simple. Its like trying to mass manufacture airplanes in your garage. It's not realistic. You not only need funding to develop these projects so that they are ready for the public but you also need a lot of support from many other different areas. Login, please take a second to view the videos I posted above, it explains what I am saying better.
And its not because these technologies are more expensive that they are not funded. Considering you can get free energy once these technologies are built they have to be the cheapest investment of all because the returns are unlimited energy. But unlimited energy means that you can no longer make trillions out of selling the energy, so its not a business like the oil industry, and its a THREAT to those who make money from the oil industry. Think about it.
So if you control the energy you control the money. And if you control the money you can control the goverment.
Now do you seriously think that these powerful oil giants and the shadow groups behind them that control many other things in the world are going to let some hippie scientist with his water powered car take all their empire down? They will buy him, they will threaten him, they will cut down his funding and support with the power they have. They are the biggest mafia in the world.
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 23:50
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if they're not being funded is because they're more expensive that technologies being used today.
It's NOT that they are more expensive, it's that there is LESS profit to be made in the end.
Look at this way, if you where head executive of an oil company, and there is this new technology that would put you out of business and out of work, wouldn't you do anything possible to stop this new technology from coming out regardless if it's good for nature or not? I probably would.
On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts.
Aluxe
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Free energy is not real- even the theories are flawed. Please realize this. Just because you want something to be real, doesn't make it so.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thats what they would have you believe, its all a hoax. These technologies are just not reliable, yadaydayada. Who is telling you this shit? think about it.
Check this page out, it talks about some of the free technologies:
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