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Posted : Nov 11, 2008 13:35
Thanks login and shahar..
It is the same thoughts i have, i feel many people use these reasons to not have any responsibility and just telling people we cant deciede ourselves...
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Posted : Nov 11, 2008 16:18
@ shahar ..
many tried to share.. some succeded.. but they are no more.. hope u get the point.
i spoke to mark abt the same topic, sometimes its better when we dont know the truth ,, "ignorance is bliss" .. but for those who feel that all of a sudden, they have started questioning abt things happenin around them.. certainly, there is an awakening. all these theories cud b crap... but we dont have a proof to prove that either..
just keep ur eyes open, ull see and then believe.
the album has a gr8 concept.. something unique - @ Full - on - agree the album by vegetal was in the same lines.. but then, its def not the same ,.. and ofcourse ,gr8 production.
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NEMESIS - DEVILSMIND RECORDS - 2007
PATTERNS EP - DEVILSMIND RECORDS _ 2009
SEANCE - DEVILSMIND RECORDS - 2011
PATTERNS II EP - DEVILSMIND RECORDS _ 2013
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Posted : Nov 11, 2008 17:07
I still don`t get how this message in music thing works without words / lyrics etc .. is dropping a small sample = delivering a message ?? .. so we get tracknames then .. read the back cover and u get the message .. listen to the music without knowing track name = no message .. so this whole `message` bit in this music .. is stupid
no offence to xenomorph , his music is good .
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Posted : Nov 11, 2008 17:21
well the emotions expressed through music, sounds can tell me away much more then 1000 words. and what are saying words exactly?
@mk47 u never felt emotions in trance music ???
cause to me it's one of the things it atracted me, since i was in early 90's hiphop fan.
and about the whole concept, it's not about u agree with it or not, at least he has a concept what a big part of todays releases don't have.
to use your head you have to go out of your mind
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Posted : Nov 11, 2008 17:26
oh dear .. no .. im not talking about what trance music makes one feel etc .. all i was saying is , that .. in order to deliver powerful anti establishment political messages etc .. you`d best be advised to sing a song .. rather than make a boom tiss boom tiss thing with the odd sample .. yknow ?
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Posted : Nov 12, 2008 16:43
^didnt u hear his lyrics in some trax??
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NEMESIS - DEVILSMIND RECORDS - 2007
PATTERNS EP - DEVILSMIND RECORDS _ 2009
SEANCE - DEVILSMIND RECORDS - 2011
PATTERNS II EP - DEVILSMIND RECORDS _ 2013
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Posted : Nov 12, 2008 23:51
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Teenagers (most of the public who listen trance music, specially your music) need urgently a message of hope and something they can belive in, pls dont give them this empty speech, try to give a proposal, something they can deal with and implement in their lives.
I have been following the discussion for some time and every time this sentence strikes into my eyes.
First of all , i just wanna say that for me this release has the most interesting concept that i have ever seen regarding political und social issues. Even before I heard the music ( which is doubtlessly really good as always from Master Xenomorph), I was totally striked by the message of the release. Of course it is not a new idea, but it is the first time when a trance artist develops this idea in such an audio story and i find this really incredible.
I have read some pointless posts in this thread which i would not comment but I just wated to say a few words about the quote above. Arent you tired of empty hopes, PLUR Utopies and all the rest of the things that blur the real situation on this earth? Who needs this false utopies any more??? What is the sense to give a false hope and to lie any more????? Teenagers need hope? Well, may be first of all they need a clear sight of what is going on????????
Just look around What do you see? This is not just a night horror vision that someone had during a bad trip, this is the reality, dear friends! And yes it does make sense to talk about it and it is a big step forward even to make the people aware of what the world is. Because many dont even see it!!!!!
I am soooo tired of empty Peace-Love-Words. It is not the reality, it is as simple as that! And what if all those illuminati theories are not just a vision of paranoids but the reality itself ? Isnt it time to be aware of that? And do something about it, each of us????????
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Posted : Nov 13, 2008 02:35
@ Moki, that sentence make much more sense with the rest of the text I wrote.
I agree, both PLUR idealism and conspiracy theories are of not much use at all.
When I said hope I wanted to refer to the one that can be materialized by pragmatic means.
In first world countries reality is not as striking as where I live, Mexico, here poverty is right in front of you. Violence is everywhere right now and nobody cares about the enviroment.
For under middle class teengaers there is no hope, the public schools sucks and they will never get to college. Their possibilities of improving their living conditions are very very slim.
And they feel it, so they start sniffing glue at 10 years old to destroys themselves before the real world crusshes them.
For this teenagers there is no sense in talking about what is worng with goverment cause they're really suffering the reality, they already know the system sucks from first hand experience.
Because of that what they need is powefull message of hope, but not empty, they need a proposal something they can deal with, implement.
And believe tons of this teens love psytrance here.
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures."
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Posted : Nov 13, 2008 11:23
yes, i see your point of view...
i guess this message is mostly to be directed to people from first world countries, those spoiled rich ones who dont even see the true structures of the system they live in. they are being continuosly fed up with false informations through the media and brain washed almost everywhere in every corner of the infrastructure. and they dont even realize that they are a subject of brainwashing and a part of a big political plan for enslavement. i guess, they are the ones who have to wake up first....
because the ecological disaster, the social abusement and the misuse of the third world countries is mainly a product of the behaviour of each of the millions of ppl who live in the first world.....and they dont even realize it, you see, they dont even know it!
i know i am a kind of freaked out in illuminati theories and may be too fanatic with that, but i really believe that in the meantime this is the reality. this is the real situation, and here in cities like berlin for instance it is much more obvious than in other places....i just have to look through my window and it is EVERYWHERE, even without looking outside, i see the whole media being a brain wash machine and trying to hide the real thing from us.... but still whoever is interested in politics and future visions shpuld have made his experience with the big system out there....no matter where you are...
and the hope and proposal: well first get independent of this system. build ecological independent self sustained villages or homes. get out of this system as fast as you can. dont believe the media, everything is a lie. kill your tv...and then the light will overcome. this is the hope. but first BE AWARE.
i understand that young kids in mexiko need hopes. may be the hope for them is that much more ppl from the first world are now aware that they are the main reason for destroying the ecological social and religious wealth of the third world.
and the main thing is: it does not have to happen ( the final phase). but it is their plan. we can still stop it.
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Posted : Nov 14, 2008 07:29
Well there is obviously something going on “behind the curtain”. I mean do we even have to argue about this? Can we all wake up already? Yeah maybe not your cup of tea, but the implications of what is kept secret involve everybody. It really doesn’t take much research into this subject to sort of start concluding that yes, the shit is deep. You just have to start with an open mind so you can investigate what you haven’t seriously considered so much.
Like have you heard of all the testimonies of the many high ranking military generals, cia agents, and people involved in classified operations that have come out to give their testimonies? Do you think all these guys are just lying? It doesn’t make any sense when you hear them talk and learn who these people are.
For example have you guys heard of the disclousure project? In 2001 a large number of people that were involved in covert operations in the military and government came out to testify under what they called “the disclosure project” lead by Steven Greer. Important and amazing event, and it’s incredible how this gets lost and not too many people find out. Yeah sorry it didn’t come out on your local news channel. Well just hear the testimonies of all these military officials, they seem honest. Many of these are really high ranking officials with a reputation to be concerned about. There are just too many of them talking about the same shit. It makes no sense why they would be all simply lying when they run risk of getting ridiculed and mocked. Ofcourse you are not going to find out about this on CNN or on TV apart from scattered documentaries that make it all seem as if this is some wild munbo jumbo idea. The whole point has been to keep this information hidden from the masses because if too many people wake up this whole system that keeps these groups at the top in control won’t hold together anymore.
Look check out the video of the disclosure project. Are these people lying???
Or check out these interviews, at least some of these people are telling the truth (maybenot all) but a lot of these seem totally honest and the implications of what they are saying are like WOW:
UFOs, aliens, shadow groups, interdimensional reality. It gets very complicated and there are many reasons why this is happening and why we are kept in the dark. Some of those reasons point to certain groups that want to control things and some point to you and me and the fact that we don’t give a shit. So its their fault, and its our fault.
The reality is not only shocking, but absolutely incredible, unbelivable on many different levels. It just points to how amazing life really is and how much is being kept from us. We are kept in a small box which is so small, and just seems to get smaller and smaller as you realize how vast the actual reality really is. Like we are only experiencing a fraction of our heritage here.
And yes becoming aware of “the forces behind the curtain” can make us shrink in fear and overwhelm us with a feeling of powerlessness. But on the other hand by becoming aware of who we really are, as spiritual beings, as multidimensional beings that can connect with other worlds, that can connect and learn from more spiritually advanced beings you then realize that we are not so powerless after all. And that is what is being kept secret from us. This power that is in us. Our heritage as spiritual beings.
Because you can control an oppressed mind who can not see beyond their fears but you can not control an awakened being and much less an awakened society. We may be trapped in some kind of death sleep but we on earth are part of something greater. Don’t you belive that somewhere in your heart? Perhaps there is something we have forgotten.
Yeah opening up to see what is behind the curtain will shock you, scare you and piss you off but the truth will open you to a new reality where you will be able to open up to your true potential. It’s a galactic leap that can change our world forever. Look, once you start accepting the UFO phenomena you realize that this is nothing new and that the story is older than we can imagine.
I think in the GOA days of trance our scene was connected more with this aspect. There was a search for the truth, for the real truth. People and muscians back then were more curious about the UFO phenomena, because the implications are mind blowing. And you start tapping into that for musical inspiration and the tunes can get pretty far out with its vibrations and feelings. Because the reality that you start opening up to is mind blowing and you are only feeding from that. Its like eating a magic mushrooom. Its like a pandora box of psychedelia that is so real that you even have to take it slowly because its too much to absorb.
But like I said, a big part of the problem is that we haven’t really wanted to know the truth. I mean we have never really, and I mean REALLY wanted to know the truth. Maybe its fear, maybe its laziness, but whatever keeps us from really trying to find out what is going on allows certain groups in power to take advantage of us and to decide our fate even if their interests are rotten to the core. It makes it easy for certain groups in power to basically drive us over the cliff if they want, and perhaps its exactly what they are doing.
So to me when I confront this issues it makes want to do something about it. It is uncomfortable because of the manipulation but its also quite liberating because you then realize that our society is not stuck with all the limitations that we have been led to believe that we have. And you basically get rid of your naïve mentality thinking that the goverments are taking care of you. So the problem becomes our own and the urge to want to change things can finally bloom into action.
The difference is that you now want to change things from the root. You start putting it all together, like why it’s so difficult to break out of the game that keeps us all competing agaisnt eachother. Well because the system is designed that way, like a pyramid of power and if you don’t play the game and screw everyone else you get behind. Its just a crock of shit we have as our model. And connected to our TV sets we can not imagine how things could be too different from this. Thus we suggest we come up with practical solutions to change the world, like recyling and using bio cars and shit like that all while we remain with the same stinky system that is just based on control, power and greed. We are so absorved in this reality that we think its real and that such things are human. But if we are all the same energy, the same interconnected collective mind then it doesn’t make sense to have this model based on ego and all that shit. And if we are going to change things lets change things from the root.
And apparently there is free energy technology already. All the eco shit is all bullshit because we are not using the technology that is truly available already. It is kept from us by powerful interests. You know what I am saying, all these alternative energy fuels that you hear about are nothing compared to the technology that is being kept in black operations for the privilege of those in power to keep that power. Nice trick. The thing is that that you can not control people if there is free energy, because if you have unlimited energy you can not charge people money for it and therefor you can not control people. And its all about keeping the control. These people are not enlightened if you know what I mean.
So yeah we are trapped in our own fears, in our own creation of reality and kept from the greater truth. In some way we are like little bumkins in a prison planet who can not look beyond the world we have created. We are a tribal society playing with matches, creating a hell hole of poverty and war on this planet when we do not need to. So I urge people to open up, to search for their forgotten spirituality and freedom and the truth. We do not need the economic system of greed and power that runs the planet. We do not need to have poverty in our planet. Can we believe that? We are creating our own reality and so lets start changing the script here. Something positive from the heart!!!!
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Posted : Nov 14, 2008 08:02
The youtube video did not show in the post for some reason. Maybe its too large? (2hrs)
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Posted : Nov 14, 2008 08:27
Robert Anton Wilson has this wonderful rap, he says: 'Define the world as a conspiracy run by you and your friends.' If you don't have that as your model, then you probably have a loser's model, and who wants to be a loser? So, just assume, you know, that you and your friends are gaining power, moving into positions of influence, and shortly about to take control!
--Terence McKenna
R.I.P. Two of the greatest thinkers of the twentieth/twenty first centuries
THE PARANOIDS ARE RIGHT: THEY'VE GOT LOTS OF ENEMIES
(Who would want to be their friends?)
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"Reality is what's still there even if you stop believing in it."
- Philip K. Dick
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"Be the change you want to see in the world!"
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Aluxe
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Posted : Nov 15, 2008 12:44
Like if you don't believe in the sun it doesn't mean the sun is not real.
But you are always believing something right?
And yeah maybe the sun will not cease to exist if we do not believe in it. But our conception of the world can be totally different depending on what we believe. Like the power that our thoughts have on our perception and on our reality should not be undermined and I don't think we fully understand the power that our thoughts can have on the outside world either. Like maybe we can walk on water if we really have a lot of faith? The problem is that even if we want to believe we can do it at an uncounsious level we still don't really believe we can. We are trapped in our own version of reality where those things are not possible and its hard to break out of it.
And I have noticed that when you are on mushrooms you project your inner world into the outside world, everything seems like a big coincidence. It makes you wonder, and it looks so real. Well how can we be so sure that we are not always doing that? Like yeah, we believe what we believe, even if we don't believe in some things, and that is the world we see. And because we see it we believe its real.
like that old psychaos sample says:
"There is nothing real outside our perception of reality, is there?"
And who knows, many people point that the material world which we think is so real is also just a manifestation of the spirit. Sorry I can not explain the specific details, hehe..
