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NikC
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Posted : Mar 7, 2006 21:55
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Tribalizer mate, don't listen to Assaf_zo...
Considering particularly that he's started almost half as many threads as he's posted on - either unhelpful or desperately wants to be a senior member 
anyway... 
I use Kontakt mostly for sampling... used to use HALion, but tbh kontakt is much better!
Carry on starting threads!
Peace,
Nik
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tribalizer
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Posted : Mar 8, 2006 01:25
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14yearoldoncrackcockaine, i hear ya, but isnt exs24 mac only? if not, is it stable on WinXP/cubase?
thats what im looking for, CPU efficiency, great sound, inspireing interface...
bah...the more i think about it, the more i think ill stick with batteryII...even for bassline sampling!
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tribalizer
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Posted : Mar 8, 2006 01:27
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NickC:
yeah youre right! i should be more confident!
aaarrrrrrh!!!
yeah theres halion but the V2 was weird...how is the 3?
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unproject
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Posted : Mar 8, 2006 09:47
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kontakt is da bomb |
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Mar 8, 2006 11:47
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On 2006-03-08 01:25, tribalizer wrote:
hehe
14yearoldoncrackcockaine, i hear ya, but isnt exs24 mac only? if not, is it stable on WinXP/cubase?
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EXS is Logic's native sampler and was available on the PC before Apple bought E-magic. It has never crashed my system and works like a dream. As far as I know you can't use EXS24 with Cubase. I also have Kontakt which I don't use simply because its easier to import rex files with EXS (if I remember correctly, the version of Kontakt I have does not support rex files  ) and like I said, EXS does all I want it to. But if I didn't have EXS, I'd probably go with Kontakt. I'm positive that NI will have the rex support sorted by now.
If you have a really fast CPU and want crazy sample manipulation with software, I also suggest Absynth 3 and Reaktor 5.
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sy000321
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Posted : Mar 8, 2006 14:26
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i'm too lazy to sample almost twelve bass notes plus the note lenghts, set all up on certain notes, adjust envs and velocity and other modulations and then realize i would want to change how the bass sounds and have to do it again... arrrgh... that's a fukcing waste of time mate... no killer track then... arghh
just the thought of it makes me want to quit producing and start gardening dafoils or something else like collecting ladybugs, matchboxes or party flyers.. shit no...
sampling is cool only for matrix, lord of the rings or fear and loathing in la voice samples... "choose the red pill", "nice shorts, frodo", "did you take all that acid?", etc, etc
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sy000321
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Posted : Mar 8, 2006 14:36
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does the guru demo has any time or other limitations?
thanks
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Mar 9, 2006 01:52
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On 2006-03-08 14:26, sy000321 wrote:
i'm too lazy to sample almost twelve bass notes plus the note lenghts, set all up on certain notes, adjust envs and velocity and other modulations and then realize i would want to change how the bass sounds and have to do it again... arrrgh... that's a fukcing waste of time mate... no killer track then... arghh
just the thought of it makes me want to quit producing and start gardening dafoils or something else like collecting ladybugs, matchboxes or party flyers.. shit no...
sampling is cool only for matrix, lord of the rings or fear and loathing in la voice samples... "choose the red pill", "nice shorts, frodo", "did you take all that acid?", etc, etc
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hahaha 
well, the idea is to sample the bass when you know you want it...and only sample the notes you need can also be a option... and with modern pitchshifters you can easly go up some notes or down some notes if you really really need to..
there is lots of hardwork in creation, but we all know hard work is of more satisfaction
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Mar 9, 2006 11:18
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Why are you guys sampling notes from your synths to play back with a sampler when all you need to do, is simply use your synths and record the whole bassline in one go?
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sideFXed
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Posted : Mar 9, 2006 16:28
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sy000321 I honestly don't know.
soundcloud.com/epsylohm |
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tribalizer
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Posted : Mar 9, 2006 16:29
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e-tard, read Broken Toy's tips for super tight pro psybasslines here:
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/56391/forum/2/start/285
its not the first time i hear this, and in fact ive even seen dino psaras work that way (not to impress anybody, just to mention a reputable source). It may be a pain, but its logical !
to answer in-topic, i'd say that its exactly what im looking for: a softsampler reputable for psyproduction; because for many years ive just used samples trough battery or directly from audio clips in the sequencer, and now i need more flexibility and features.
underaged ecstacy-retard:
id say that using absynth is a fantastic idea! i overlooked it! thank you very much :o)
Felix
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Mar 9, 2006 17:31
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On 2006-03-09 16:29, tribalizer wrote:
e-tard, read Broken Toy's tips for super tight pro psybasslines here:
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/56391/forum/2/start/285
"Oscillators or even emulated ones waver around a lot and cause weird different clips on the attack part of the note and this totally sucks.
For a more pro bass sound , you gotta use either a "synth" that uses samples or actually sample the synth you`re already using."
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No disrespect to anyone that likes to have sampled waveforms that sound exactly the same, same phase starting point and have extremely boring imo, sounding bass timbre, but saying that its actually more "pro" to do that, is utter bollocks.
There are a million gazzilion pros that record basslines from free running oscillators (i.e. VCOs that run continously, send a note on signal, the gate opens, catching the waveform at random starting phase points).
Its boring enough having a one note 16th bassline rolling away, taking away any kind of subtle motion from the bass patch and making it sound utterly and clinicaly boring, defeats the purpose...imho always.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Mar 9, 2006 17:56
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14-year old e-tard - i really cant agree totaly with you, but i do see your point, but what you forget is that with the controll you have over a sampled waveform its possible to add other sorts of modulation to the bass which makes it interesting, so its not a dead end.
but i can agree that it things should not sound too static and rigid... but why must you leave random to handle this? when you can be in full controll...
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Mar 9, 2006 18:58
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On 2006-03-09 17:56, New Era Scientist wrote:
14-year old e-tard - i really cant agree totaly with you, but i do see your point, but what you forget is that with the controll you have over a sampled waveform its possible to add other sorts of modulation to the bass which makes it interesting, so its not a dead end. |
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I am not saying that you don't have control over sampled waveforms, you do. But when you use sampled waveforms you always use the exact same one. Cloned harmonics at every note. The only + over the sampled waveform is that you can reverse it. But since we are talking about sampling one note, there are synths with ramp up besides the classic ramp down sawtooth. And the down side is that you loose all the nice subtleties and intricancies of the synth.
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but i can agree that it things should not sound too static and rigid... but why must you leave random to handle this? when you can be in full controll...
just my cents..
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The "random" part of things, is the differnt phase onset and maybe a slightly different ADSR curve (for analog) that made the filter close a tiny bit different, or a slightly different cut-off point of the filter on the on-set of a few notes. The differences are extremely subtle, yet you can perceive the motion of a bassline where those subtleties have been included.
Have you ever compared one note basslines where one is a sampled note and the other is an analog synth?
I have and I find the motion of the freerunning VCOs and subtle differences in cut-off modulation to be a life saver for monotonous rolling 16th notes.
Again, I am not saying that people have to like motion in their bass. I am just saying that statements such as sampled bass notes are a pro way of doing it, appear to show a producer's inability to control something a bit more challenging than a one note sample.
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sy000321
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Posted : Mar 9, 2006 19:49
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hi,
my points:
- there are vsts in wich you can control de phase start of the waveform (vanguard for instance)
- using sampled waveforms you can do whatever you want, even draw those waveforms if you want (but them don blame me if it sounds crap )
- when you sample you can sample as many notes as you wich and use a layered patch for the sampler to play the correct sample for each note
- most samplers (at least mineeeee) enables you to modulate cuttoff, velocity and the emu range has modulation srcs/dests you wouldn't find in any vst sampler/synth
ok... now i'm gonna start to sample my bass.. you made me do it
btw, a pro or specialist should be able to get resonable results in either techniques... roll a joint or STFU :) |
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