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Dear Artist, how many copies of your album were sold?
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Posted : Aug 21, 2007 06:15
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Please, try to post on this topic only you have "real info" which means info backed up by real facts. So if you "think" Artist X sold 10.000 copies it's not enough, you must know for sure the info you're going to post here, otherwise it is just useless guessing. Comments about the thread are welcome, but guessing how many copies some album sold just create confusion.
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DETOX
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Posted : Aug 22, 2007 17:11
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On 2007-08-18 03:02, Spindrift wrote:
Not for you as a label owner maybe, but you are missing one vital fact....
They get about the same per track sold directly via musicdock as they get per CD sold in a shop.
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Not only for label owners but also for an artist like Vibrasphere these sales and money (1400 tracks in one year and half) is absolutely nothing and i will explain why.
a)I dont know what is the deal Vibrasphere got with their labels and digital distributors but if i am not wrong the rights of their tracks belong to the labels they originally released them so i doubt that Vibrasphere get the 100% money from the digital sales.Actually there is a possibility they dont get any money at all from digital sales if their contract doesnt offer them percentage from sales since most artists in our days get just an advance from the labels for their works and they rarely get any money from licenses or digital sales or whatever.
B)Even if somehow Vibrasphere get all the money from these 1400 sales which lets say is around 1400 euros (1 euro lets say per track) then this is very very small money for a group like Vibrasphere that got countless releases,albums and cd singles on their backround.If they had 1400 sales from their last album then yes this would be a serious number but 1400 sales from all of their tracks that are available online?This is absolutely nothing and it clearly shows that digital distribution is still on very low numbers.
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On 2007-08-18 03:02, Spindrift wrote:
Also, selling 140 CD's and making any profit at all is impossible as you probably know.
On the other hand with downloads you can make profit on the first sold copy.
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For sure but if you take for granted that a serious and well known artist like Vibrasphere can sell a track on a compilation for 500 euros then this means that if they would just upload this track on the internet on their own then they would need to sell it 500 times in order to get the money that the label would pay them in the first place.Based on their words that in the last 18 months they sold 1400 tracks from all of their back catalogue then i seriously doubt they will ever reach such numbers and they will always prefer selling tracks directly to labels.
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On 2007-08-18 03:02, Spindrift wrote:
I can agree that 1400 downloads will not make you rich, but if you are comparing it to selling 140 CD's you are either clueless or purposely misleading.
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Neither clueless or purposely misleading as you can understand from the rest of my post 
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Jikkenteki
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from wikpedia not sure if it s true ... -2.8% in 2001,- 8.8% in 2002 .sell for a album around 2000 copies , 5000 copies is a success ,artist like Hallucinogen,Infected Mushroom, Transwave,Astral Projection sell more than 20 000 copies.the album twisted around 85 000 copies. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 25, 2007 18:29
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 25, 2007 18:33
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yes it think it s old (2002-2003 maybe)strange trance is more commercial tha ever and sell less |
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Posted : Aug 26, 2007 00:23
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Dont rely on Wikipedia concerning psy trance matters and especially concerning numbers such as sales and artists fees.
Wikipedia is great for general information but when something is very delicate and specific and not widely known like psy trance for example then the info provided are usually from people within the scene who usually make speculations based on their own thoughts or things they heard or read somewhere.
And yes trance is more commercial than ever in our days but also the internet is more widely known than ever and its speeds also faster and cheaper than ever before
12-13 years ago buying an Amiga 500 or a Commodore 64 was a dream for most people because 500 dollars was a lot of money and when the first pentiums were released one needed a fortune to buy one,i can even today remember paying around 2500 dollars (when the dollar had a much higher price than today) for buying my IBM Aptiva Pentium 166 which was a small fortune back then.
Today with 500 dollars you can buy a very nice pc ideal for home use and adsl in ultra fast speeds is almost free in the majority of the world countries.
Why buy cds when with 500 dollars you can have all the music you want plus a home pc for other applications such as video games,cd burning,internet browsing,movies watching etc etc etc?
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headyatail2000
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Posted : Aug 26, 2007 00:30
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ok then here's a technical question...
why cant cds be copy protected?????
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Posted : Aug 26, 2007 01:15
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Anything that can be inserted into a computer can be copied with a thousand ways.
Even if someone invented the ultimate copy audio cd protection then one could use an oldschool cd copy machine (the one where you putted the one cd on one side and an empty cd on the other and the empty cd was just recording what the other cd was playing) in order to bypass the system.
Copy Protection Technology is invented just to prevent amateur computer people or people with no computers at all from copying their music,movies,video games or whatever.
Everyone with some simple knowledge of using his computer and the internet searching machines can crack anything in five minutes.
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Vibe Tribe
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as far as i know good selling album (and im not talking about infected mushroom or anyother big sellers) sales around 1200-1500 in japan, and 700-1000 europ.
dont know about the numbers in brasil and mexico, but i dont think they are too high, also as far as i know they usualy get license to print the cd there.
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 26, 2007 20:36
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DETOX i agree with all the things you said but before internet people just recorded radio,imo the most sells are for the dj but listeners rarely buy their music since the begining . |
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DETOX
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Posted : Aug 26, 2007 23:17
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Before ten years my friend POM everybody was buying his music simply because there was no other way in getting new music in your hands,i mean there were ways but in order to copy a cd one needed more than one hour.
The first two vinyls by TIP World sold just in Greece more than a thousand copies just to give you an idea
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Posted : Aug 27, 2007 06:05
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On 2007-08-26 20:36, PoM wrote:
imo the most sells are for the dj but listeners rarely buy their music since the begining.
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I disagree, as far as I saw in the DJ cases and what DJs told me most of them rely on promo copies or wav files sent to them by the labels, artists or other DJs.
Also since most of the DJs play mostly new and unreleased music, they just don't buy the album because when it's released they already played it too much. Exceptions of course are real great/classic albums which are bought even from those who own most of the files in wav before the release.
IMO most of the music is bought by sporadic buyers (which explains part of the success of marketing) and by music collectors (which sometimes also happen to DJ).
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Posted : Aug 27, 2007 16:29
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@DETOX
I just wanted to point out that your statement "1400 tracks is like selling 140 cds" simply is incorrect.
I never said they are making a lot of money from it, which seems to be what you are arguing against.
Some of the tracks in their shop is licensed via labels and some not. With tracks that they own the rights to them self you can easily check out the musicdock fees and conclude that the amount they receive per track is about the same as per CD sold in a shop.
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