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Dear Artist, how many copies of your album were sold?
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Ulterior
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Posted : Aug 5, 2007 03:27
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On 2007-08-03 04:17, Ulterior wrote:
And any prog label to state their sells? Lets say iboga, how much do they sell.
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nobody replied ?
Anybody ?
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PsyUNIT
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Posted : Aug 5, 2007 15:39
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Interesting topic & another reason why we should support the music we love by buying. Muisc that gives us goose bumps only sells 1000-2000 cd's & some rap album which has "Motherfucker" in it 56 times sells 100,000.
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tinks
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Posted : Aug 7, 2007 10:19
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i would love to know how the better night labels do... i dont expect night music ever to be a commercial success (especially .. relative to the full on / morning comps) cause its a step further within the trance scene... but good night labels like tantrumm, parvati, discovalley & trishula.. these are the 'bigger' players within the night scene and i'd be very intereseted to know what kinda numbers do they clock up |
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nahimoff
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Posted : Aug 8, 2007 01:49
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Just ran across this topic and will happily donate our statistics.
So far our label group have released 10 CDs and 2 vinyls (back inthe beginning)
The best selling Compilation was V/A posse which sold around 1800 up to date and is still selling slowly. The best selling album was Insane Creation - Connected which sold around 1500 up to date and is about to be sold out. Our average sales stand at around 1300 copies due to the fact that we have a deal with our distributor in which we are allowed to sell alone in countries and shops they do not reach therefore dividing our sales to around a 50-50% margin between distribution sales and own sales. We send out around 150 promo copies of each CD to our promo list and do our best to make as much promotion as possible without forcing ourselves onto people.
From my own experience with distribution the average sales today for full on labels stands at 700-2000 (excluding hommega, tip, solstice and co mainly for their strong grip in Japan) and proggy labels sell 500-1500 (excluding Digital Structures with bigger sales due to their massive artists roster, and occasionally Iboga with highlighted releases like Freq, antix and Liquid soul to name a few).
Regarding digital sales things are not 100% stable, some labels sell good some do not sell at all and the market itself is only in the construction at the moment in regards to psy/prog orientated music so I guess time will tell.
Hope the information was helpful and if anyone has more questions dont hesitate to pm me
cheers
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Ken
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Posted : Aug 8, 2007 20:08
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Definitely check out Sonic Traveler Magazine's story... "The Future of Psytrance Music Sales" in the June/July issue... http://sonictraveler.biz/sonictraveler-back_issues.htm
The music was like new black polished chrome
that came over the sky like liquid night.
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Jester Records
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Posted : Aug 8, 2007 22:53
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Jester Records : Compilation REWIRED
Featuring artists such as :
- Spirallianz
- Three Point Turn
- Authentic
- Nuclear Ramjet
- Metalogic
- Dj Preach
+ More
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Sales report :
Wakyo Distribution : [Japan] 200 copies sold
Wirikuta Distribution : [Europe] 300 copies taken, 200 Sold
Static Distribution [North America] 120 copies taken, 15 copies sold
Dj Clown : 1000 copies printed, 130 copies sold (at parties, launch party and to friends]
TOTAL SALES : Approx : 530 copies ..
total production costs : over 5000 EURO
Returns : 3500 EURO
Net LOSS : 1500 EURO
clear enough ??
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full_on
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Posted : Aug 9, 2007 04:00
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I'm sure that with time more feedback will be given.
So far it seems that unless you're releasing thru an established label there is a considerable possibility of selling less than 600 copies.
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On 2007-08-01 14:23, DETOX wrote:
i managed to sell 1800-2000 copies from my compilations and around 2500 copies from the Wizzy Noise albums.
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VA - All Systems Go --> 1800-2000 copies
http://www.saikosounds.com/english/display_release.asp?id=4135
VA - Digital Performers --> 1800-2000 copies
http://www.saikosounds.com/english/display_release.asp?id=4629
VA - Grey Area --> 1800-2000 copies
http://www.saikosounds.com/english/display_release.asp?id=5308
Wizzy Noise - Punk City --> around 2500 copies
http://www.saikosounds.com/english/display_release.asp?id=4856
Wizzy Noise - Sabotage Part I --> around 2500 copies
http://www.saikosounds.com/english/display_release.asp?id=4922
Wizzy Noise - Sabotage Part II --> around 2500 copies
http://www.saikosounds.com/english/display_release.asp?id=5980
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On 2007-08-02 23:36, mubali wrote:
According to when I last got info from the label and distributor, my album that was released last year sold around 600 copies.
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Mubali - Cats @ Play --> 600 copies
http://www.saikosounds.com/english/display_release.asp?id=5552
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On 2007-08-05 02:11, Suntrip Records wrote:
with Suntrip we sold between 500 and 1000 cds per release, Apsara is sold out now (=1000 cds), Ka Sol reached 500 or a little more.
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VA - Apsara --> 1000 copies
http://www.saikosounds.com/english/display_release.asp?id=4873
Ka-Sol - Fairytale --> 500 copies
http://www.saikosounds.com/english/display_release.asp?id=5687
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On 2007-08-08 22:53, Jester Records wrote:
Jester Records : Compilation REWIRED
TOTAL SALES : Approx : 530 copies...
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VA - Rewired --> 530 copies
http://www.saikosounds.com/english/display_release.asp?id=5666
Indirect, but still useful info:
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On 2007-07-31 04:43, Colin OOOD wrote:
As was told to me in August 2006:
Arabesque tell me hand-on-heart no one apart from Tip or Solstice is topping 1000 units.
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On 2007-08-03 19:01, Jikkenteki wrote:
In the interview with Saiko Sounds in the most recent issue of Sonic Traveler magazine they said that the average new label with new artist sells about 200 to 300 copies. My experience with my album shows that to be true.
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Jikkenteki - The Long Walk Home
http://www.saikosounds.com/english/display_release.asp?id=5872
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On 2007-08-03 18:46, MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr wrote:
honestly 500 max ,but i try and promote a bit as much as i can..only big labels with big artists hold up today
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Let's wait for more data. 
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konvndrvm
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Posted : Aug 9, 2007 10:29
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hey remember that Mubali debut album?
Goooodtimes.
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Cosmic Tandav
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Posted : Aug 13, 2007 10:17
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hey guys..this has been a very interesting discussion which has thrown in a lot of light at actual sales of albums and VA s.It is sad to see that a lot of artists and labels end up making no money or at times losing a lot from thier own pocket because they believe in thier music.
This discussion should be read by all on the froum as this is likely to show everyone the actual situation of the industry and will hopefully encourage more listeners to support artists and labels by buying the music that they like...
and @ Mubali i know ppl have a short attention span ..but i m sure a lot of us will remember the classic Mubali album...
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-aeon-
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Posted : Aug 13, 2007 12:00
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i have no idea, and no way of finding out  i know that the first run was 500 copies.
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Karma Konnect
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Posted : Aug 13, 2007 13:40
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For sure its difficult to sell good numbers these dayss .. but marketing / promotion / advertisement matters alot .. in a long term...
so it all depends wat you wanna do .. you just wanna make some $$$ , or u want to establish a hardcore business - if yes to this .. then why u selling only CDS .. do more stuff ..sign good artists on ur label / get them gigs u get the % ofcourse .. put more ideas .. put ur 100 % .. start selling ur stuff digital also .. do as much as u can .. Business is Business & seling is selling .. wether u sell car or a Cd imo ..you need to conveince the customer with good product ... and every industry have good phase / bad phase .. 7 yrs back .. no 1 knew alot abt IT industry ... no 1 knew abt internet .. i use ro run my own cyber cafe - 3 $ Per Hour ... today its less then 1 $ ..
Ram / Hd all the peripherals .. are less then half of the price it use 2 be ..
http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/slc/slc1cd001.html .. our 1st comp .. was sold around - 390(wordwide including) + 100 in india so total = 490 ( still selling )
http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/slc/slc1cd002.html
Japan - 430 + 227 worldwide + around 130 in india = 787 ( still selling )
http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/slc/slc1cd003.html
released last month selling ok ...
soo well .. for sure if we making a good product , with some known artists .. not 100 $ or free track ofcourse .. we can not cover our cost with these numbers , though our releases are not very high budget also also like Detox CDS .. there expenses are more ofcourse ..
but u can categorised the product .. Ok , Average , Good , Very Good , A Grade ( its according to tracks cost - not style or music )
we are releasing every style of melodic psy .. 1st one was Melodic ful on .. very emotional .. 2nd was more Hi Tech ful on
3rd is proggy ..
4th is more Psyche full on http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/slc/slc1cd004.html
5th is old skool goa trance ,which is coming soon in October.. so selling thousand of copys is anyways not wat we want 2 do .. but if we do sell in thousands its good for sure , and smehow our each release is getting better in sales . butt we have tons of other plans 2 make money .. and to run the label and make it big . cd sales wil always play a important role .. and it will grow with ur label .. but if u dependent only cd sales .. then its not goood ...
but ya 1 thing i ve researched in past few years ... if your product is good and if you doin a good job , if ppl like ur label / raleases ... in 1-2 yrs you will realize that ur early releases are sold out ... thers not even 1 copy in the store . ofcourse it depends on how much u press .. for example we press 1000-1200 .. acording 2 the release . but its a good point . its slow its long way , so u need to be smart and balance all the investment and work .. and you should know wat u doin .. if u are still stuck on good vibes or spritual music .. or keep it underground or freee releases .. it will kill the scene more or means u r not a right business man .. this is wat i think .
and labels like Tip , Solstice , Bne , Yse , Twisted , etc .. did't made big in 1 day .. there catalogue has more then 100 releasess . so who knows wats in future .. time changes time . so dont give up !!!
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Dogon
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Posted : Aug 13, 2007 21:40
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On 2007-08-13 13:40, Dj Nick wrote:
For sure its difficult to sell good numbers these dayss .. but marketing / promotion / advertisement matters alot .. in a long term...
so it all depends wat you wanna do .. you just wanna make some $$$ , or u want to establish a hardcore business - if yes to this .. then why u selling only CDS .. do more stuff ..sign good artists on ur label / get them gigs u get the % ofcourse .. put more ideas .. put ur 100 % .. start selling ur stuff digital also .. do as much as u can .. Business is Business & seling is selling .. wether u sell car or a Cd imo ..you need to conveince the customer with good product ... and every industry have good phase / bad phase .. 7 yrs back .. no 1 knew alot abt IT industry ... no 1 knew abt internet .. i use ro run my own cyber cafe - 3 $ Per Hour ... today its less then 1 $ ..
Ram / Hd all the peripherals .. are less then half of the price it use 2 be ..
http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/slc/slc1cd001.html .. our 1st comp .. was sold around - 390(wordwide including) + 100 in india so total = 490 ( still selling )
http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/slc/slc1cd002.html
Japan - 430 + 227 worldwide + around 130 in india = 787 ( still selling )
http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/slc/slc1cd003.html
released last month selling ok ...
soo well .. for sure if we making a good product , with some known artists .. not 100 $ or free track ofcourse .. we can not cover our cost with these numbers , though our releases are not very high budget also also like Detox CDS .. there expenses are more ofcourse ..
but u can categorised the product .. Ok , Average , Good , Very Good , A Grade ( its according to tracks cost - not style or music )
we are releasing every style of melodic psy .. 1st one was Melodic ful on .. very emotional .. 2nd was more Hi Tech ful on
3rd is proggy ..
4th is more Psyche full on http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/slc/slc1cd004.html
5th is old skool goa trance ,which is coming soon in October.. so selling thousand of copys is anyways not wat we want 2 do .. but if we do sell in thousands its good for sure , and smehow our each release is getting better in sales . butt we have tons of other plans 2 make money .. and to run the label and make it big . cd sales wil always play a important role .. and it will grow with ur label .. but if u dependent only cd sales .. then its not goood ...
but ya 1 thing i ve researched in past few years ... if your product is good and if you doin a good job , if ppl like ur label / raleases ... in 1-2 yrs you will realize that ur early releases are sold out ... thers not even 1 copy in the store . ofcourse it depends on how much u press .. for example we press 1000-1200 .. acording 2 the release . but its a good point . its slow its long way , so u need to be smart and balance all the investment and work .. and you should know wat u doin .. if u are still stuck on good vibes or spritual music .. or keep it underground or freee releases .. it will kill the scene more or means u r not a right business man .. this is wat i think .
and labels like Tip , Solstice , Bne , Yse , Twisted , etc .. did't made big in 1 day .. there catalogue has more then 100 releasess . so who knows wats in future .. time changes time . so dont give up !!!
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v.v2
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Posted : Aug 14, 2007 00:40
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I am now thoroughly confused. Maybe I am oldworld. I have always thought the best way to support a psy artist is go for her/his party. I should buy their work too?
It could also be a personal problem of having never been a music-collector.
Sorry for being rude, artists. I just never saw this was where you made your money, honestly, and a parameter of success. Do you?
I see now that I gotta buy. Late starter.
I see, I see.
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DETOX
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Posted : Aug 14, 2007 02:44
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On 2007-08-14 00:40, v.v2 wrote:
I am now thoroughly confused. Maybe I am oldworld. I have always thought the best way to support a psy artist is go for her/his party. I should buy their work too?
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In order for an artist to become well known and start getting some bookings there are some people that are named label managers who invest money on the artists in order to release their music and introduce them to the world and promote them and hopefully manage to sell well so that they can make a profit out of risking their money on a specific artist and his music.
Going to parties is indeed supporting the artists (and also their label if the label handles the bookings) but buying original music means supporting both the label and the artist.
Its about time that people start realising that labels and label managers are much more important than they think.
More than half the artists out there are well known today and still in the business because a label believed in them and financed them and supported them when nobody knew them and when they needed someone to help them in their first steps.
An old saying in Greece goes like this "we realise that something is very precious only when we loose it" so when one day all the labels in the psy trance scene will extinct then and only then the people will realise the huge damage of not supporting at least the labels that release your favorite artists and music.
Noone can buy everything that gets released today but if each one of us supported 2-3 artists and labels that he really liked then the market would be much better in our days and along with the market the level of the music.
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-aeon-
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Posted : Aug 14, 2007 08:43
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just wanted to say:
to make the Top 40 charts in the UK you only need to sell around 2500 copies.
maybe our scene ain't so bad after all...
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