Trance Forum | Stats | Register | Search | Parties | Advertise | Login

There are 0 trance users currently browsing this page
Trance Forum » » Forum  Trance - Dear Artist, how many copies of your album were sold?
← Prev Page
2 3 4 5 6 Next Page →
First Page Last Page
Share on facebook Share on twitter Share on StumbleUpon
Author

Dear Artist, how many copies of your album were sold?

Dainty Doll
June Rashava

Started Topics :  49
Posts :  426
Posted : Aug 2, 2007 22:26
Quote:

On 2007-07-31 18:27, Nik wrote:
SOME INTERESTING FACTS AND FIGURES-
http://www.themusic.com.au/im_m/display.php?s=phil&id=175

"In 2000, U.S. consumers bought 785.1 million albums; last year, they bought 588.2 million (a figure that includes both CDs and downloaded albums), according to Nielsen SoundScan.

In 2000, the ten top-selling albums in the U.S. sold a combined 60 million copies; in 2006, the top ten sold just 25 million.

The U.S. music industry issued 75,774 album titles in 2006, or 15,000 more than the 60,331 albums that came out in 2005. Major labels-counting physical and digital titles-issued 11,230 new albums in 2006, which was only slightly more than the 11,070 issued in 2005.

New releases were up 25.6% last year compared with 2005, with most of that figure coming from digital-only album releases. Last year, digital-only album releases jumped to 24,720 from the 16,580 released in 2005,

But despite that jump, new-release sales dropped 9.4% last year to 220.3 million from the 243.1 million units scanned in the prior year. That decline in sales is nearly double the overall album market's 5% drop between the two years.

Independent digital-only releases exploded last year, with 21,763 titles being issued, versus the 13,645 issued in the prior year. On the other hand, major label digital-only releases held steady, with 2,957 released in 2006 versus the 2,935 in 2005. Whether from a major or independent, digital-only new-album releases still remain microscopic, accounting for 1.22 million units in sales, or 0.6% of all sales generated by new releases.

Looking at physical only, last year the independent sector issued 42,781 titles-up 20% from the 35,616 titles issued in 2005. But these only sold 51.1 million units as opposed to 2005's 57.2 million units of one million + sellers.

In 2006 only 33 albums hit 1 million sales. Up one from 2005

In 2006, 364 albums sold 100,000 units or more same as 2005.

In 2006 only 1000 new albums sold more than 5000 copies. Only 5000 titles sold more than 1000 copies.

In 2006 55,516, or 73.3% of all new releases last year, failed to sell even 100 units. Of these, 4,364 came from the majors, and a whopping 51,152 from indies.

Excluding those titles that sold less than 100 units each, major-label new releases last year averaged sales of 26,895 units per title, while independent titles averaged 2,603 units.

R&B recorded the biggest percentage drop according to Nielsen SoundScan. The genre is down 22.4% on the same period last year. Rap has dropped 15.8% and Alternative is down 14.9%. On the upside, Country music sales have increased 17.7% so far in 2006 while Christian sales are up 11.6%, Classical is up 7.9% and Latin is up 7.8%.

Digital sales are growing-fans bought 582 million digital singles last year, up sixty-five percent from 2005,

The touring business is thriving over $500 million in the US last year.

More than $600 million in ringtones, ringbacks and other mobile music content sold in the US last year. In Australia, we're looking at$ 40 million.

But it's not just about unit sales.

More than 5,000 record-company employees have been laid off since 2000.

About 2,700 record stores have closed across the US since 2003, according to the research group Almighty Institute of Music Retail. Last year the eighty-nine-store Tower Records chain, which represented 2.5 percent of overall retail sales, went out of business, and Musicland, which operated more than 800 stores under the Sam Goody brand, among others, filed for bankruptcy.

Around sixty-five percent of all music sales now take place in big-box stores such as Wal-Mart and Best Buy, which carry fewer titles than specialty stores and put less effort behind promoting new artists. According to NPD Group research, Apple's iTunes is now the third largest music retailer in the country among all digital or physical outlets. Based on Q1 figures, Wal-Mart remains the biggest single music retailer with 15.8% of the market, Best Buy second at 13.8% and iTunes third at 9.8%. Overall, digital a la carte music sales now make up almost 14% of all music sales. That does not include other digital revenues such as subscription services or ad-supported services.

Consumers bought more than 100 million iPods since 2001. They represent about 75% of the digital player market.

Since 2003, the RIAA have sued more than 20,000 music fans yet file sharing has risen.

There was a 4.4 percent increase in the number of peer-to-peer users in 2006, with about a billion tracks downloaded illegally per month. Nearly half of all Americans -- 45 percent-downloaded music from pay sites or peer to peer sources, up from 31 percent. And those who paid for a song increased dramatically-from 8 percent in 2005 to 23 percent in 2006.

---------------



There we go!!!           http://crackwhoremodels.dk/dainty_doll.html

www.myspace.com/djdaintydoll

www.myspace.com/junerashava
DETOX
Moderator

Started Topics :  296
Posts :  6194
Posted : Aug 2, 2007 23:34
Excuse me but the above facts are tottally irrelevant with psy trance music for two obvious reasons.

A)The psy trance market is a tiny (not to say non existent) one and has nothing to do with all these numbers mentioned above which refer to sales of big companies like Sony and huge artists like Madonna and mainstream music styles that sell millions of records like RnB.

B)The above facts refer mainly to the USA market which concerning psy trance is one of the smallest markets in contrast to countries like Japan,UK,Brazil and Germany.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
mubali
Mubali

Started Topics :  71
Posts :  2219
Posted : Aug 2, 2007 23:36
According to when I last got info from the label and distributor, my album that was released last year sold around 600 copies. For me, I was quite surprised to even get that amount. The amount of music that gets released on a weekly basis is mindboggling and when I was actively buying music on a regular basis, I could never keep up. Combine that with a torrent of so/so releases, and it's very difficult to find the stuff that you really would want to invest in. As an artist, I feel that the music released is more of a calling card or a "hey check out what I'm doing and if you like it, bring me out" However, in the end I'm not really the one taking the financial risk to produce a physical product. This is what the labels do and also the distributors seeing that many distributors also do the printing and lump it into the deal. I'm sure that there are some labels that sell really well, and there's others that don't. But that's always been the case in music. One of the personal issues I have with this music is that it feels very disposable. There's always a new influx of music and at least on the dj aspect of things, it's out with the old (meaning 6 months) in with the new (meaning just got released or not even out yet) Sure, there are some timeless tunes, but few that come to mind made in the last 6 years... I'll use myself as an example, I doubt that in 6 years people will be writing on some forum, you remember the Mubali debut album? That was classic.... We have a short attention span and we'll quickly forget what we liked before unless it's so earth shattering that we connect a personal memory to that song.

But anyway, despite how many copies are actually being sold, this music is getting heard. I personally would rather people heard my music and sometimes bought it, rather than people who didn't buy it not hearing it. I consider this music a very vital form of expression for myself, and I won't let monetary issues sully that. I'd be a bum on the streets before I'd want myself to become some sort of money minded individual. But, that's just me...           An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
ThiagoNAKA
IsraTrance Full Member

Started Topics :  104
Posts :  1047
Posted : Aug 3, 2007 02:02
Quote:

As an artist dear SMS you DESERVE to get not only some money but some respectable money for your work,when a label wants to sign a track then this means that the label likes the track and is willing to pay for it because it awaits for it to bring more sales into the compilation and satisfy the music taste of the people who support the label.



ThatĀ“s exactly the way we tried to work. Paying a decent money for the track we liked, that fitted to the compilation, that would make the cd a good selling....

Quote:

Sometimes ofcourse an artist might want to give a track away for free in order to be part of a nice concept compilation or just to manage to release something on his favorite label.For example if i was a new artist and Twisted Records asked me to release my music for free then i would have no hesitation to give it away for free because releasing at Twisted would give me much more exposure and respect than money can buy.Also i would happilly give away one of my tracks if a friend of mine operated a new label and i wanted to help him in the beggining or if someone would compile a charity cd where all profits will go to the less fortunate of this world.

All the above situations are fine but giving away a track for free in a copy paste neo full on israeli label just because noone else is willing to release my music and pay for it then this action not only brings back nothing to the artist but even destroys the scene by helping bad labels to survive and even make money out of this sick situation because they give them a reason to release even more cds in the future stealing a small percentage of the market from labels that are working professionaly and really need those sales.

No label that is delivering a good product out there can survive on 2000 copies per release.Just printing 2000 copies will cost a label 2000 euros plus graphics design and a good mastering this goes up to 2600 euros easily.And if just half the artists featured on the compilation (lets say 5 out of 10) are registered to music rights companies like Acum or Sagem then for two thousand copies you need another 1000 euros in order to print your cd and receive it from the factory.Without paying any taxes and artists you need 3600 euros just for manufacturing expenses.

If you sign 10 tracks for 500 euros each then automatically you got another 5000 euros expense plus the 3600 euros manufacturing we are already on 8600 euros.And keep in mind that first class names will no way settle for less than 700-800 euros and the few super duper names that we got in our scene will ask you 1000 euros for a track.

So we are already on 8600 euros with no promotion at all,operating a website,sending away 60-70 promos and buying half a page on two music magazines and a small banner on psyshop or saikosounds then you can easily reach up the magic number 10.000 euros for a serious release that can stand out in the market and sell quiet good.

What quiet good means in our days?

1500-1700 copies maximum with a good distribution and someone promoting the label every day for at least the first 2-3 months of the release all around the physical and internet world.

10.000 euros for the production of a music cd in the real music world is absolutely nothing,some music labels pay these money just for mastering their releases or even to have their graphics design made up from a well known artist or to buy a promotion page on a known magazine.

In the tiny psy trance world though where a distributor buys 6 euros maximum a cd from the label and comes back with a statement of 1700 copies sold maximum this means that the label just breaks even after a sales period of one year.

What exactly is the point of releasing a cd and expecting just to get your money back after a year?

If you are a dj or an artist and want to promote yourself then there is a point yes but for people like me who are no artists or no dj's (even though funny enough i got more dj offers to play on big festivals than people who are actually dj'ing but thats another story) then there is no point in being involved in the psy trance market.

I am speaking with some very well respected labels who are informing me that the market is so bad that they just keep running their labels in order to make money from the bookings.

Every year things get even worst and if you ask me its a matter of very short time before everything collapses and the only labels that will survive are the very small ones that are happy releasing their label owners and friends music and satisfied with 400-500 sold copies which covers their manufacturing expenses.

Ofcourse when one or two from the major distributions collapse first (like it has happened many times in the past) then even these small labels will dissapear over a night....




I agree with u dear Detox. But, being the psy trance market so tinny, why label insists about paying for tracks??? Maybe some major labels donĀ“t buy it anymore, I donĀ“t know... I know all those numbers, and like in yours, the "track fee" is about 50% of the whole cost!!! So, u pay .50 of whole cost to ppl that, at first, is working WITH the label, and will benefit from the cd!

IĀ“m not talking about the artist side here... ItĀ“s a fact! From those numbers u can see that the best way to avoid label from bankrupt(besides having a clean brain) is provinding the label good music for free. I got the point about "releasing for free @ Twisted vs releasing for free @ isra-full-on Rec"... But maybe thereĀ“s a middle term???

ps: ItĀ“s also a fact that thereĀ“re plenty of causes for the market being like that. But I would like to see more clever ppl working for it. Utopia? Maybe!          LOADING...
Ulterior
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  35
Posts :  531
Posted : Aug 3, 2007 04:17
And any prog label to state their sells? Lets say iboga, how much do they sell.           Music is the only language that come very close to silence (OSHO)

http://www.myspace.com/boxiulterior
cacofonix
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  29
Posts :  1955
Posted : Aug 3, 2007 12:50
n howz the sales in chillout/ambient?           www.vantaravichitra.com
http://soundcloud.com/cacofonix11
olowanpi
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  35
Posts :  224
Posted : Aug 3, 2007 13:19
I own dropout with my wife
and since we started we pretty much have the same sales more or less

so far each release sold around a 1000 copies each over time
some faster some slower

compilation did a bit better so afr than albums
but that can change

digital sales slowly rising (dont have numbers here)



as a good addition to this theme here
check out this interview from
Frank Zappa very informing







           DROPOUT PRODUCTIONS
snick
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  10
Posts :  389
Posted : Aug 3, 2007 14:00
is was a simple question about NUMBERS.. look at you hehehe

can you pls say how many album were sell without to explain why and when ...

its simple...
MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
Moonsun Records

Started Topics :  128
Posts :  1864
Posted : Aug 3, 2007 18:46
honestly 500 max ,but i try and promote a bit as much as i can..only big labels with big artists hold up today
Jikkenteki
Jikkenteki

Started Topics :  20
Posts :  356
Posted : Aug 3, 2007 19:01
In the interview with Saiko Sounds in the most recent issue of Sonic Traveler magazine they said that the average new label with new artist sells about 200 to 300 copies. My experience with my album shows that to be true.           New Album: Jikkenteki - Flights Of Infinity
Available for free at http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/jikkenteki-flights-of-infinity/
PAR-2 Productions http://www.par-2.com
projekt^ufo
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  22
Posts :  408
Posted : Aug 3, 2007 21:54
@ everyone.. what DETOX said here is absoulutely true picture off label & psytrance music industry.. i myself was planning to release a compilation on my production house.. but after studying the bussiness.. i m happy to stay back & relax & would rather release music in future wid few of my good artist frens.. which will jus help me cover my cost(hopefully)

          -=DIGITAL OM PRODUCTIONS=-
=-MOUNTAIN MADNESS NEPAL-=
>< we follow and preach ><
--=UNIVERSAL RELIGION=--
http://www.urnepal.com | http://www.digitalomproductions.com
Jikkenteki
Jikkenteki

Started Topics :  20
Posts :  356
Posted : Aug 3, 2007 22:02
Another cost I haven't seen mentioned here for labels is the hidden cost of shipping. Many people don't realize that in the end this is usually significantly higher than the cost of actually printing the physical cds themselves.           New Album: Jikkenteki - Flights Of Infinity
Available for free at http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/jikkenteki-flights-of-infinity/
PAR-2 Productions http://www.par-2.com
DETOX
Moderator

Started Topics :  296
Posts :  6194
Posted : Aug 3, 2007 22:10
Shipping wasnt mentioned because many labels in our days have their cds printed and shipped by their distributors so the cost gets much lower.Usually the smaller labels fall this pattern.

But yes for the labels that print their cds on their own its a huge expense to send cds in foreign countries especially Japan and an impossible feature to send cds in countries like Mexico and Brazil where the taxes are huge.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
idka
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  24
Posts :  243
Posted : Aug 4, 2007 14:21
publicity is the only resourse an artist can use for money making. like everything in the world we live in, specialy around psytrance fans. ofcourse, the net damaged the record companies, and i think this is a major upside..
the financial potential is still there, increasing every day (if thats what u r looking for) its just keeps on converting.
There r plenty of ways to use this potential like shows, collaborations, etc...

i guess no1 here will b rich soon due 2 his artistic megatrained skills           www.myspace.com/metaverse1800
Suntrip Records
Suntrip Records

Started Topics :  54
Posts :  129
Posted : Aug 5, 2007 02:11
interesting topic

with Suntrip we sold between 500 and 1000 cds per release, Apsara is sold out now (=1000 cds), Ka Sol reached 500 or a little more. The rest between those 2 amounts... And actually, this is more as we expected in the beginning, but only just enough to cover all (future) costs (but we actually pay our artists...), so no big profit, but whatever, it's our fun project anyway
Trance Forum » » Forum  Trance - Dear Artist, how many copies of your album were sold?
← Prev Page
2 3 4 5 6 Next Page →
First Page Last Page
Share on facebook Share on twitter Share on StumbleUpon


Copyright © 1997-2025 IsraTrance