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Dear Artist, how many copies of your album were sold?
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Basilisk
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Posted : Sep 5, 2009 17:56
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I'd like to revive this thread and stir things up a bit by posting this article for discussion... 5 Reasons Why Nobody Is Buying Your Music:
http://www.grindefx.com/5-reasons-why-nobody-is-buying-your-music/
Of course it's more for independent artists... but it never ceases to surprise me how few psytrance producers have their own web site or bother with social networking. In this saturated market you can't really expect flocks of fans to find you simply because you write music and release it somewhere or another. These days you need to do more... the article above outlines some of the basics.
Any updates on sales figures?
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Upavas
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Posted : Sep 6, 2009 08:57
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I have no label, but what always made me wonder is:
when software companies release software, people can buy it, they download it, get a passkey ONCE THEY HAVE PAID, insert that when installing and whoops, they have the software, while it is true that you can get many cracked versions of the released software, the passkey still seems to make it possible for more sales of the software.
Why has no one implemented something similar for music sales?
And how many people would go about and rerecord the analog way? Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
http://timecode.bandcamp.com
http://upavas.com
http://soundcloud.com/upavas-1/ |
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The Chilling Spirit
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Posted : Sep 6, 2009 23:37
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Basilisk, exactly. I cannot believe some of the ignorant attitudes I've encountered in these forums and the independent music scene in general.
Upavas:I am not sure how you mean that?
What would you download and add the passkey to?
It would not affect the filesharing scene at all. There would still be a race who uploads it first and from that point onward nothing changes.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 01:59
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Upavas: software companies using stringent copy protection methods are only inconveniencing their paying customers. Same goes with any form of DRM for music.
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Upavas
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 03:08
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Suloo
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 05:59
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On 2009-09-06 08:57, Upavas wrote:
Why has no one implemented something similar for music sales?
And how many people would go about and rerecord the analog way?
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there is a kind of copy protection on downloaded music, just forgot the name but it was there when you bought things from itunes store , it was like you can burn it 4 times or something..ah its called DRM but most companies stopped using it..
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aXis
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 07:00
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will ocelot answer to this ? |
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Loopfreaks/Electrofreaks
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 11:26
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On 2009-09-05 17:56, Basilisk wrote:
I'd like to revive this thread and stir things up a bit by posting this article for discussion... 5 Reasons Why Nobody Is Buying Your Music:
http://www.grindefx.com/5-reasons-why-nobody-is-buying-your-music/
Of course it's more for independent artists... but it never ceases to surprise me how few psytrance producers have their own web site or bother with social networking. In this saturated market you can't really expect flocks of fans to find you simply because you write music and release it somewhere or another. These days you need to do more... the article above outlines some of the basics.
Any updates on sales figures?
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This is standard knowledge. If artists don't know about these promotion tools they need a big wake-up call!
www.krisandersen.com |
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moki
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 12:52
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on the other side, there is so much overkill of social networking in the trance scene.
i found out that i am personally mostly interested in names that dont do so much social networking.
because the social networking of the trance scene is so uprofessional the way they do it. it is full overkill. they dont even leave me a second to think about buying a product. i dont even open one percent of all messages, links, invitations, release infos etc that i find in the networks or in my mails. not even one percent. totally same messages, totally boring PR, total lack of uniqueness. i speak for the majority of products.
and btw who has to do the social networking. in other scenes it is the label. in this scene tha label is often working against the artists.
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moki
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 15:10
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but i actually just wanted to mention at the end, that i have a firm for marketing, which is specialized on doing full service advertisement ( video image spot + website) for very affordable prices.  ) you can contact me, if you need something like that fast. including VJ work for your track. i dont earn money in the trance scene any more, but if anyone needs this service fast, you can contact me and see also some portfolio ( i send it in private, dont wanna link here) etc. i can help you develop your vision  ). very fast and affordable.
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oh, and besides :
even if you are present in all available social networks with release info and profile, it doesnt make your chance better for your product to be bought. not really. well, okey, may be slightly better, but not significantly better. because there are tausands of artists anyway.
most artists are online ( if they are online in forums and networks at all, but i believe most of them are not so stupid to stay there and to actually act against their image, which is what normally happens every time an artist starts to get too "human" in the forums.).
but anyway, most of them are online as personalities and not so much to promote. and being present as a human in a social network, and talking to ppl there might actually do much better for your figures, than a website and a myspace account with release infos. especially in this scene. btw since i started to check what happens in the trance forums , most artists and labels lost me as a customer. not about the 20 euro, it is about the attitude. it is like you know. that is why i always pay my bills for a dinner and a hotel, because the attitude is supposed to be different. you know?
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Basilisk
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Posted : Sep 16, 2009 07:28
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moki
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Posted : Sep 17, 2009 12:01
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you dont have to do it right , but " different". it is called viral marketing. put a breaking news or happening to the masses and you get all you want. your click through rates will explode. otherwise you are one of millions who try to make money or get attention in social networks.
this is what i meant. but may be there is the " right way" to do it in trance networks. i am not interested in that cause i make my money somewhere else. dont like the play the loser.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Sep 17, 2009 12:10
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You've said many times that refuse to pay for music anyway, so why should any artist care about your opinion or pay you for your services?
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TranceVisuals
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Posted : Sep 17, 2009 14:45
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My 2p.
I did a "psytrance DVD" Das Produkt back in 2006, no-one would touch it for distribution, so off my own back I sold around 150 copies.
I lost some money because I paid all the artists a small advance fee, which I felt was fair and right.
I am thinking of doing another DVD in the next while, though it will depend on certain agreements, and I hope to sell between 250-500.
Currently I am doing a lot of mutual back-scratching with labels and artists in exchange for making them an "original psychedelic video".
For years I avoided the networking side of the business, hoping that by sheer virtue of my own artistic merit I would be able to make a living. Instead I found that the networking is as important as the art itself in terms of a living. Since I have joined myspace six months ago or so, I have found it very useful to talk directly to the artists, and fans, and massively increased my exposer amongst my "target audience". Having a decent strong youtube page full of original psychedelic videos has helped. To the point of having over 500,000+ unique views in a year of my videos.
I am comparatively lucky though, as what I do, tend to bolt on and modulate what is already going on, in terms of visualising music, rather than competing by producing music myself. |
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mystical_being
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Posted : Sep 17, 2009 17:10
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Watching to see where this one is headed... |
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