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Dear Artist, how many copies of your album were sold?
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Alias
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Posted : Jul 31, 2007 00:21
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On 2007-07-30 19:22, Squat Merchant wrote:
We used to sell 5000
These days, and this has alot to do with this forum, we sell about 2000 max
People like you with your stupid questione
Get with it
I'd actually go so far as to say 'THIS FORUM KILLS SALES' what with all the clique and the 'KEEP IT UNDERGROUND' rubbsh most frequent posters popout with.
If you want to point fingers Napo, point them at yuorself for being so boring. Take some Sid. Be honest and psychedelic, not a coffee drinker. Doh!!!
Coffee has bat all to do with psy sales
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can you explain plz.....who are you? what kind of music you are making
before you insulting the whole forum and replying fu**king prejudice comments!
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Magox
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Posted : Jul 31, 2007 00:44
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On 2007-07-31 00:21, Alias wrote:
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On 2007-07-30 19:22, Squat Merchant wrote:
We used to sell 5000
These days, and this has alot to do with this forum, we sell about 2000 max
People like you with your stupid questione
Get with it
I'd actually go so far as to say 'THIS FORUM KILLS SALES' what with all the clique and the 'KEEP IT UNDERGROUND' rubbsh most frequent posters popout with.
If you want to point fingers Napo, point them at yuorself for being so boring. Take some Sid. Be honest and psychedelic, not a coffee drinker. Doh!!!
Coffee has bat all to do with psy sales
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can you explain plz.....who are you? what kind of music you are making
before you insulting the whole forum and replying fu**king prejudice comments!
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xfalabella
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Posted : Jul 31, 2007 00:51
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On 2007-07-30 19:22, Squat Merchant wrote:
We used to sell 5000
These days, and this has alot to do with this forum, we sell about 2000 max
People like you with your stupid questione
Get with it
I'd actually go so far as to say 'THIS FORUM KILLS SALES' what with all the clique and the 'KEEP IT UNDERGROUND' rubbsh most frequent posters popout with.
If you want to point fingers Napo, point them at yuorself for being so boring. Take some Sid. Be honest and psychedelic, not a coffee drinker. Doh!!!
Coffee has bat all to do with psy sales
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Respect man...
& good luck on your "Big" selling
good point fullon,but i think that few artists gonna reply this =/
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RenderingRebel
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Posted : Jul 31, 2007 00:58
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 31, 2007 04:25
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A good full on/psytrance label compilation featuring well known and established names sells around 2000-2300 copies at best depending the promotion and the distribution.
A good album from the same label can go up to 3000 copies in a years time or even some more.
Unfortunately not many good and profesional labels are out in the market today.We are talking about something like 15-20 major players here maximum plus 3-4 labels like Twisted or Hommega that sell more for obvious reasons.
The majority of labels out there though sell around 500 copies for a compilation and 700-800 for an album.
Half the blame to the people that dont buy their music anymore and half the blame to the labels that release poor quality music from amateur artists that still dont know the essentials on music production but are in a hurry to become superstars and get gigs around so they are willing to give their music away for free just to see their name somewhere.
Anyway the psy trance market is as dead as Ingmar Bergman though it smells even worst.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 31, 2007 04:43
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mk47
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Posted : Jul 31, 2007 07:45
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no straightforward replies so far .. why like this ? labels / artists ?.. helloo ! .. someone come fwd with hard numbers and figures pls .. we all curious here
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full_on
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Posted : Jul 31, 2007 10:29
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On 2007-07-30 19:22, Squat Merchant wrote:
If you want to point fingers Napo, point them at yuorself for being so boring. Take some Sid. Be honest and psychedelic, not a coffee drinker. Doh!!!
Coffee has bat all to do with psy sales
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You can say this forum sucks, it is your opinion, so I have no problem with that.
But if you mess with my coffee you're making things personal and this is definetely not recommended.
Back to topic:
I think we got realistic answers from DETOX and Colin OOOD. It sounded like DETOX was talking about his own label, but I think fewer than 15 labels can score 2000 copies in every release, and I'm already including Hom-Mega and Twisted in these 15.
Colin provided info which I think to be more realistic.
Respect!
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faxinadu
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Posted : Jul 31, 2007 14:23
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it is not my label and i am not sure they want me to share this info, so i will just say i got straight info from one of the bigger nighttime psy labels that thier latest albums sold around 800 copies.
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DETOX
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Posted : Jul 31, 2007 14:36
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FULL ON i am not talking only about my label but other labels too that release more or less the same music style and artists as i do.
COLLIN many labels sell double than 1000 units,i mean if my label sold 1800-2000 copies from its compilations with no serious promotion and with an average distribution then i am preety sure labels like Solstice and TIP sell easily 2500 or even 3000 copies with all the connections they got.But i guess 3000 copies is a top number for a compilation in our days and only few labels can achieve that.Numbers unfortunately are falling every day though.
In any case these numbers are not able to keep a serious label running because 2000 or even 2500 copies per release is a very small number for a label that works legally and pays all its artists,operating expenses and partners.Most labels are still operating for two reasons a)to get money from booking their artists and/or b)promote the label owners and secure them gigs and promote their side activities like parties and festivals organisations.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 31, 2007 15:44
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spinalpuppet
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Posted : Jul 31, 2007 16:40
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hahaha, i guess once you release something its like your in the cia, top secret stuff.
"we would tell you how many albums we sold but we would have to kill you"
give me a fucking break |
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Wizack Twizack
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Posted : Jul 31, 2007 17:37
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jibreel555
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Posted : Jul 31, 2007 17:39
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| Half the blame to the people that dont buy their music anymore and half the blame to the labels that release poor quality music from amateur artists that still dont know the essentials on music production but are in a hurry to become superstars and get gigs around so they are willing to give their music away for free just to see their name somewhere. |
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Personally i happily give my music away to other peoples projects, and always have from back when i was active on the techno and dnb circuit, because i see myself more as an entertainer, or musician more than a producer.
My music is my card, that is supposed to make people concider me as their entertainer for a few hours, and this is where i want to generate ,however little, income.
I have no doubt that desperation drives some labels to release utter unfinished shite, but that is what the expectation of "the pot of gold" from a subculture will get you.
I just know there are a lot of people like me who has released a steady stream of stuff through the years and done it for the love of music alone. so i found that comment of yours rather crass 
in 97 i did a techhouse track that went top ten in europe for a rather long time , but it still only sold less than 1000 copies. Why? Because the house wave was over.
It is the same thing with the psy scene. And im happy that i have arrived here after the buzz is over, because slowly it will sort the wheat from the chaff, but right now in the aftermath, people desperately try to bring back the hype by reproducing what spawned the broader interrest in the genre to begin with.
All scenes has this cycle. Look at dnb. For 7 fucking years it sounded all the same because of the hype that had surrounded it and everyone was desperately trying to bring that hype back, not realising that what created the hype to begin with was the fact that dnb was something new, it had something unique that then got copied ad neaseum untill the interrest in the genre totally declined. In psy the same thing is happening now or rather been going on for some 5-6 years, and this is as seen from an "outsider".
as soon as a genre gets "defined" or rather canonised it seems interrest declines because, it is the rebelious nature of "underground" music, the playfulness and anarchy of it that is so attractive.
I altso think there is in all scenes a terrible snobbery about being "released", an elitism that as far as im concerned is unwelcome but ever present. It becomes especially henious as ones view of quality itself is as subjective as it comes.
Those where a few thoughts, and here are some numbers.
commercial house release less than 1000
dnb 12" usually around 400
tech 12" 250-300
compilations of dnb usually more copies but i have no numbers as the deals are always an amount in the hand, and then a little money from CODA, NBC etc...
I have no idea how my psy will fare yet but i figure in the same numbers.
and im happy about that because counted in the numerous hours i got to spend playing my tracks for people because of it, it was all worth it, and i came out more than break even but far from wealthy.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 31, 2007 17:47
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On 2007-07-31 16:40, spinalpuppet wrote:
hahaha, i guess once you release something its like your in the cia, top secret stuff.
"we would tell you how many albums we sold but we would have to kill you"
give me a fucking break
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There are good reasons for labels and distributors to hold back on information to artists. If the artist is unaware of how many copies their album has sold, they don't know how much to invoice the label for. OOOD has suffered from this more than once in the past.
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