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mk47
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Posted : May 9, 2009 09:44
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On 2009-05-08 14:31, ocelot wrote:
this is basically about the music being rapidly spread inside the default system for music,apps,movies, etc... the pirate network everyone uses for everything it seems... labels and distributors and the whole food chain are all too slow compared to the speed a torrent spreads at... the niche market (not for general public, but for people you might have met at a party for example) ....getting music into the hands of people that want it as soon as possible. ..... (not a lot of middle people between the artist and the buyer. preferably none)
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do it then , sell ur cds at gigs , include it in the ticket price (at a bit of a discount maybe coz u be saving from eliminating the distro guys) .. that way you`d sell 500 copies in 10 gigs , even if only 50 people turned up .. directly , this will need some synergy between the label/artist and the party orgs , who may , for some reason or the other not want to sell expensive tickets if they think it mite in some way eat into their profits etc .. anyway , work it out , demonizing the downloaders / rippers clearly has not worked , adapt , put your chillum aside just for a min and think like a businessman , it can be done
peaz
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : May 13, 2009 10:04
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I think a lot of people do not post here because they don't want to admit the low sales they had.
As much I know from distributors many releases do not pass the 200 copies mark.
My second Album Gfuehlsweid sold about 600 times in 2005. 300 through distributions 300 through local party market etc.
http://www.saikosounds.com/english/display_release.asp?id=4553
Since psyshop did not reorder it (as they do with most non mainstream releases) and many people were not able to buy it anymore. So I decided to release it for free download on a donation basis.
http://www.subconsciousmind.ch/music/album-gfuehlsweid
6000+ downloads (it only counts complete downloads) and a total of 2 donations with a total amount of 20 Euro.
I'm no exception I know of many cds that sold far worse and many artists who have less donations.
As for my point of view I just want to say: please stop sharing your CDs over the internet.
"buy it if you like it??" nobody does that.
"another one buys it, I don't have any money.. except for cigarettes, which is much more important."... is the what is being done in reality.
If people do not BUY the market will only settle the most popular demand because there is no capacity for "special" stuff.
Therefore: People who download cds instead of buying them eventually CAUSE the market to become less diverse, boring, mainstreamish.
 Most of my music for you to download at:
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MARGHERITA
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Posted : May 13, 2009 11:33
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On 2009-05-07 13:10, Braindrop wrote:
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On 2009-05-06 09:12, MARGHERITA wrote:
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Geez man! Thats like more than 50 % drop!
I guess there needs to be a sudden change in the distribution methods. Maybe artists/labels should setup their own distribution methods, to cut costs and basically to have more control.
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so much talking for nothing....
if fans & customers would like to buy music,,
this talking would never exist...
that the trouble....
but you can still continue to make nices theories about what a label/artist should do for improve sellings....
go/continue fuck the underground, good for the vibe good for the human evolution....
thank you all for download illegaly....
......... °°°°°°° (finger)
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There r 2 ways to it... Either u can continue to be a traditionalist and have dreams abt waiting and waiting and waiting for people to buy it using traditional methods and continue to live in past glory...
Or you could understand and accept today's situation and psyche of todays customer/fan and try to come out with solutions.
But you know the music is also dependent on the listener, and one should know wat affects the listener too... Coz if you dont then u wldnt have tht either.
PEriod.
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from my album mastura, i actualy sell around 1'000 cd from regular distrib in the last 2 years
i also sell a lot of Peak Records cds in parties where i play,
awerage of 5cds for a small/medium party, up to 35cds for fest like Boom 08..
digital selling are in progress....
i can say:
peoples at parties are more interested to buy drugs than music,
actualy trying to sell a cd at 12€ is to expansive for the freaks at the parties... nais support for the artist & labels ..... 
all in all , im pretty happy to what is going on with my releases & Peak Records.
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still,
to many copies and P2P downloads....
would be nice if peoples start to get CONSCIOUS....
about free music:
i have also several web pages where peoples can download for free my music & more ...
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for this you must search a bit on the web...
i believe free music is only for real fans,
so, i dont make so much advertising for this pages... you must earn it ....
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bearpill
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Posted : May 15, 2009 11:32
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I want to buy the new Chromatone (wasabits) and the new Dickster digital ep-all up 6 tracks ? but total on beatport-$19US all up
GET FUCKING REAL.........................
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Ascension
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Posted : May 15, 2009 15:05
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On 2009-05-15 11:32, bearpill wrote:
I want to buy the new Chromatone (wasabits) and the new Dickster digital ep-all up 6 tracks ? but total on beatport-$19US all up
GET FUCKING REAL.........................
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At least they are 6 good tracks 
http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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Basilisk
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Posted : May 15, 2009 15:58
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On 2009-05-13 10:04, subconsciousmind wrote:
Therefore: People who download cds instead of buying them eventually CAUSE the market to become less diverse, boring, mainstreamish. |
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We don't see that happening though. There are more musical choices today than there was five or ten years ago. More artists, more labels. Sales are down partially because the industry is fixated on selling products (i.e. CDs) that consumers don't actually want to buy... you can speak of being "conscious" all you like but the movement away from physical media is irreversible.
What about digital? This is a story of "too little, too late." Consider the optimal scenario: five years ago the labels and distributors get together and come up with a cutting edge download service that offers monthly subscriptions or a per-unit cost less than that of physical media. The catalogue includes all the psytrance that these distributors carry; anyone moving away from CDs has access to all the music they were intent on purchasing before at a slightly reduced cost. You can bet that tons of people would have made the shift.
Instead... we still don't see a legal digital download shop with anything close to a comprehensive psytrance catalogue. Digital media is almost always more expensive than physical media and the sites are often poorly designed. 6 tracks for close to 20 bucks. No wonder just about everyone pirates music instead of navigating the labyrinth of legal download options.
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Basilisk
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Posted : May 15, 2009 16:01
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On 2009-05-13 11:33, MARGHERITA wrote:
about free music:
i have also several web pages where peoples can download for free my music & more ...
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for this you must search a bit on the web...
i believe free music is only for real fans,
so, i dont make so much advertising for this pages... you must earn it .... |
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Never heard your music before and I won't be doing so anytime soon at this rate In this highly saturated marketplace it is really the other way around--you have to earn the attention of potential fans, not the other way around. Or do it your way and see where that gets you... but you should at least consider that all those copies and P2P downloads means people are listening to your music at least. Perhaps you will earn some fans that way...
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MARGHERITA
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Posted : May 15, 2009 16:28
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On 2009-05-15 16:01, Basilisk wrote:
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On 2009-05-13 11:33, MARGHERITA wrote:
about free music:
i have also several web pages where peoples can download for free my music & more ...
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for this you must search a bit on the web...
i believe free music is only for real fans,
so, i dont make so much advertising for this pages... you must earn it .... |
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Never heard your music before and I won't be doing so anytime soon at this rate In this highly saturated marketplace it is really the other way around--you have to earn the attention of potential fans, not the other way around. Or do it your way and see where that gets you... but you should at least consider that all those copies and P2P downloads means people are listening to your music at least. Perhaps you will earn some fans that way...
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Hoi
i'm not against sharing & free goodies,
but the present state look like: nobody whant to pay for music....
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if you whant make some good music , you must take the time to be in it 100%...
will be hard to get a money job in this case... 
my main promotion is playing into events..
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i believe, to much informations in this world,
personaly i dont whant to bore peoples with to much infos..
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Pt.
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Posted : May 15, 2009 16:35
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On 2009-05-15 16:28, MARGHERITA wrote:
present state look like: nobody whant to pay for music....
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That's strange, looks to me like people buy CD's all the time. Maybe not your CD's, but still I see people buy music all the time. Also they Download, and many people that DL also seem to buy a couple of releases now and then. Some peoploe just DL DL and DL, but thats Ok too. Its a free marked. At least your music is being heard, you can make money off gigs instead.
I think MK47 said some important words.
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Basilisk
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Posted : May 15, 2009 17:12
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On 2009-05-15 16:28, MARGHERITA wrote:
i'm not against sharing & free goodies,
but the present state look like: nobody whant to pay for music.... |
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Is attendance at parties down? Are people staying home and glutting themselves on all the music they have downloaded?
I don't think so.
People want to pay for music experiences... not mass produced copies. That's really what it comes down to.
If you're looking at gigs as promotion and your CDs as the way to make a living... well, good luck on that. I think you've got it backwards
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Kitnam
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Posted : May 15, 2009 20:42
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Hi
interesting discussion.
from my point of view we have 2 major circumstances:
1. psytrance music seems to go down, because the community is getting older and i think there are more trancers which retire as fresh new trancers step into this scene more and more.
2. physical sales are going down genereally. through the evolution of web 2.0 and the whole digitalisation of human life i do not think that physical CDs / Vinyls will make it anymore soon. I know this has been said not the first time. but we face a difference today: Internet, which is still young as a child.
We are all getting older, we actually see an era passing and a new one is following for the next generation.
About money making:
I dont know what some kind of people think about how it feels to make music but some people need to understand that this music is not made with bush-drums but with very expensive technology.
artists need to spend money on gear. top artists need to spend money on topgear. labels need to spend money on promotion, mastering, pressing. and besides of all that people need to have a living.
and on top of that. MANY do not have clue of what kind of hard job it is to be a 24/7 artist or dj.
i know a handfull of people telling me how physically damaging it feels to them flying around on the globe, awaking in hotels without knowing where they are, allways from club to club. full stress, full energy. absolutly no connection to daytime or nighttime.
The human body cannot stand that long without longterm negative issues. Go out and ask your favourite famous dj how it feels like to fly around the world and selling a lot records when they are alone in the hotel and wait for the next plain, are awake since 20 hours but cannot sleep because this club-touring is such intensive.
Even if someone would make it only for money, they would have earned it! And you can be sure, that everyone of them started once with a lot idealism and enthusiasm.
The other thing is you cant got back. No one would offer you a real great job in a complete other business if you have been a trance dj the last 15 years, this makes you a freak only.
so please, deal with respect to the people which say YES i want to make money because i need to. this are the ones which keep your music alive and work hard for it.
my 2 cents
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : May 18, 2009 23:32
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On 2009-05-15 15:58, Basilisk wrote:
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On 2009-05-13 10:04, subconsciousmind wrote:
Therefore: People who download cds instead of buying them eventually CAUSE the market to become less diverse, boring, mainstreamish. |
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We don't see that happening though. There are more musical choices today than there was five or ten years ago. More artists, more labels. Sales are down partially because the industry is fixated on selling products (i.e. CDs) that consumers don't actually want to buy... you can speak of being "conscious" all you like but the movement away from physical media is irreversible.
What about digital? This is a story of "too little, too late." Consider the optimal scenario: five years ago the labels and distributors get together and come up with a cutting edge download service that offers monthly subscriptions or a per-unit cost less than that of physical media. The catalogue includes all the psytrance that these distributors carry; anyone moving away from CDs has access to all the music they were intent on purchasing before at a slightly reduced cost. You can bet that tons of people would have made the shift.
Instead... we still don't see a legal digital download shop with anything close to a comprehensive psytrance catalogue. Digital media is almost always more expensive than physical media and the sites are often poorly designed. 6 tracks for close to 20 bucks. No wonder just about everyone pirates music instead of navigating the labyrinth of legal download options.
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It makes me sad to read this from you, especially you, really. Try to feel like an artist, please.
There are maybe more musical choices "somewhere" but when it comes to the mainstream it gets more and more boring. More artists then ever just copy each other because they believe that only what sounds mainstreamish will get them booked, signed, supported. And they are totally right about that.
People not being willing to buy cds but are willing to buy cigarettes is a fist in the head for the artists. its a total disrespect for the work of an artist. Sure times have changed. but what also has changed is the gratitude of people. people have less and less gratitude for the work of an artist. they expect anything for free just because it CAN be free.
The message being sent to the artists is: do the best mainstream you can do and you will get recognition and appreciation. individual stuff is not being asked for.
Most of my music for you to download at:
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Spindrift
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Posted : May 19, 2009 04:19
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On 2009-05-18 23:32, subconsciousmind wrote:
There are maybe more musical choices "somewhere" but when it comes to the mainstream it gets more and more boring. More artists then ever just copy each other because they believe that only what sounds mainstreamish will get them booked, signed, supported. And they are totally right about that.
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You don't see the contradiction in what you are saying?
Why do many producers copy the currently popular styles?
Largely because they want to be able to get decent sales. That is what commercialism does to music.
One can speculate that if they sold many times more than they currently do they could relax and make the music they want without commercial pressure, but that speculation is very badly backed up by reality if you look at what happened to other styles of music when reaching commercial potential. And usually when people get a decent income they don't settle for that and they can still worry about loosing that income...it's not unique to musicians that they like to keep their job and increase their earnings.
To claim that lack of economic incentive leads to more mainstream music is just completely backwards...just listen to music that sells well and compare with music that doesn't sell at all and tell me which generally sounds more mainstream.
Say you started to sell 10 times more...in your case 6000 copies of an album.
You would have to release several albums a year to get anything resembling a decent income, which even if you are extremly productive will be quite a pressure and you would over-saturate the market with your music, since you probably have very few fans that is so fanatic that they will keep buying several CD's a year with your music.
To make a decent living without having to constantly sit in the studio year in and year out, and being able to afford short periods with lack of inspiration, you are probably looking looking to increase your sales 100 times.
In that perspective file-sharing have very little to do with you not being able to live of the fans you have because looking at CD sales in general the downfall in sales is nowhere near that dramatic.
The simple truth is that you are making a style of music that not that many people listen to, and blaming the fans you do have for a lack of support just seems really out of place. You have a product which hardly no-one is interested in buying, and complaining to people that they do not show you gratitude for your work is just stating the obvious...but the fault is totally your own. People are not grateful because except a small number of individuals they are not interested at all in what you offer.
You want to make business, act as a businessman and finds ways to make money of your music skills...psytrance certainly isn't a good way to do that has never been. If you make music because you like to, then all is well and be happy for people who want to hear it.
Note that this is not personal, and I'm not saying that you make useless music that no-one wants to hear. It's just fact that not a lot of people listen to psytrance, and of those people only a few will find the music of a particular artists interesting.
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Pavel
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Posted : May 19, 2009 06:55
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On 2009-05-15 16:28, MARGHERITA wrote:
i'm not against sharing & free goodies,
but the present state look like: nobody whant to pay for music.... |
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People want to pay for music experiences... not mass produced copies. That's really what it comes down to.
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Exactly. Topic closed
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DETOX
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Posted : May 19, 2009 07:15
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We all live in difficult times speaking in terms of money so people are not willing to pay for something which they can get for free.As simple as that and it doesnt matter if the cds released are masterpieces or pure crap because people still have limited money and they will keep downloading instead of buying because their financial condition doesnt allow them to spend money on music and other things like movies or video games which they can download for free.
Quality of the music is not the main problem for the non existent sales,yes if the music was much better then the sales would be little better but still the numbers would be very low and not enough to keep a good label running with a small profit on the side.
Ofcourse this situation will soon have major effects since all labels will close and only those working with close friends who provide tracks for free will survive just for the fun of it.Even today all the "big" labels sign tracks for free even from very well known artists in exchange of promotion to the artists which will provide them with some bookings,when these bookings will become less and less then a lot of artists will either leave the scene or stop producing any kind of music.
So far 50-60% of the artists are still in the business because of Brazil and the tours they make there which supports them for the whole year,when psy trance will stop being a trend in Brazil (like it stopped in Japan for example) then you will see with your own eyes what will happen.
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