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Dear Artist, how many copies of your album were sold?
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goa-ganges
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Posted : May 7, 2009 07:55
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Oh, some philosophy on coffee: if you really want to be sold, then make a great album. Let me tell you my last experience as a buyer. I came accross Filteria´s last album on Saikosounds, and upon listening to the first track, I went ¨Oh! Gosh! I HAVE to buy this album!¨. Why? because it sounded good, definetely something worth my spending some bucks on it. People will buy a CD that they think it´s good, they want to have the original, to read the cover. Now, if you know your work is just average, so don´t expect people buying it. Customers don´t respect bad work.
Take an example I like to cite: last AC/DC album. Man, it was so good, so damn good, it sold millions when everybody could dwld it.
Well, back to Filteria. I ended up not buying it, because it is a great album, but it didn´t touch my soul. Only the first track. And that´s a pity. I am another potential buyier who gave up purchasing it.
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mk47
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Posted : May 7, 2009 11:27
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the deeper message here is , that music wants to be free 
gohead , i wait ya eggshellz 
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Wizack Twizack
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Posted : May 7, 2009 12:36
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Braindrop
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Posted : May 7, 2009 13:10
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On 2009-05-06 09:12, MARGHERITA wrote:
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Geez man! Thats like more than 50 % drop!
I guess there needs to be a sudden change in the distribution methods. Maybe artists/labels should setup their own distribution methods, to cut costs and basically to have more control.
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so much talking for nothing....
if fans & customers would like to buy music,,
this talking would never exist...
that the trouble....
but you can still continue to make nices theories about what a label/artist should do for improve sellings....
go/continue fuck the underground, good for the vibe good for the human evolution....
thank you all for download illegaly....
......... °°°°°°° (finger)
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There r 2 ways to it... Either u can continue to be a traditionalist and have dreams abt waiting and waiting and waiting for people to buy it using traditional methods and continue to live in past glory...
Or you could understand and accept today's situation and psyche of todays customer/fan and try to come out with solutions.
But you know the music is also dependent on the listener, and one should know wat affects the listener too... Coz if you dont then u wldnt have tht either.
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Elad
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Posted : May 7, 2009 14:16
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i get my second album out soon and i seriously dont think its gonna sell less then the first one.
i see the numbers and dont believe.
i meen since those last 2 years i added 500 facebook fans , 3000 myspace contacts , will be paying for advertisement , and played in many more places and had about 10,000 new ears listen to the music.
my free download album pass the 25k downloads too.
so if it sells less then 700 copies dont expect me ever to realese another cd , altho the money is abit better then the gigs money for me (party org. can be assholes just the same.. scene of junkies)
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Ascension
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Posted : May 7, 2009 15:48
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Is there a usual amount of money artists get per cd sold (percentage or straight dollar amount)?
To Demoniac: you're not trying to make a business? How is what I suggested any different than passing your tracks to a label for them to sell it through a distributor? I was offering an alternative to the failing BUSINESS of selling cds and digital downloads the way it is done presently. The artists role would remain unchanged, it's just a different way to possibly make more revenue AND distribute your music to a large audience. If I had the option to download an album from a label's site or through a torrent, I would definitely pick the label's site.
Obviously most artists realize they won't make a living from producing psytrance. But, why are labels still sticking to this failing business plan, rather than seeking out other means? I enjoy having a cd with original cover art and the such, but I also realize this is a terribly inefficient way to distribute music in the world we live in today. Looking at other ways to put more money in your pocket won't ruin anything (artists making more money = intrinsically good), it's just a way to keep up with the times.
It would be interesting to see if any labels are actually looking at other ways to distribute music (or if it's even feasible- I don't know).
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Nectarios
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Posted : May 7, 2009 19:34
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On 2009-05-07 06:14, mubali wrote:
I found the solution to this issue... I got a job.
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same here.. and a really good one! 
bOm..
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I never left mine, which means less time for music, but I can make the stuff I wana make without worrying about making mony out of it.
I don't think I would ever want to live off making trance tunes. It seemed like a dream at first, but it can easily turn into a nightmare.
Imagine getting into a situation that will wear you thin out of doing the thing you love most in life. Suicide!
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Wizack Twizack
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Posted : May 7, 2009 22:55
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i did, and manage to live without a job for abit over 3 years, only income from music.. was ok. but not stable sometimes i didnt have any money at all, sometimes alot. Hard to balance and abit stressfull for the mind. Still fun to do the shit u like how much u want and have no issues with travelling and stuff with ur regular job. But now, with family and all, it feels much better with a stable income beside of the music buissnis. allthoght i only work 8 nights a month.. so it aint that much time spending on normal life
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 7, 2009 23:08
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Posted : May 8, 2009 00:06
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4 kids in the 21th century ???
man that is completely overkill
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Spindrift
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Posted : May 8, 2009 02:10
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On 2009-05-07 19:34, pipe&slippers wrote:
Imagine getting into a situation that will wear you thin out of doing the thing you love most in life. Suicide!
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I was speaking to a *very* well-known artist about this at the weekend. He hates his life but can't stop because he has a big mortgage and 4 kids to support. The poor guy seemed very unhappy.
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I know several well known producers expressing the same kind of sentiment, and that was back in the middle of the 90's when psy/goa was still popular and had way better sales figures than now.
It might seem great not having to work a day job and only do the music you love, but in the end it easily turns into a day job and the love fades away.
And all this talk about ways to try to find new ways of capitalizing on the music seems a bit futile to me.
Even if there are room for improvements the fact is that this is a very small scene and it never have been and probably never will be more than a handful of artists that can actually make anything resembling a normal wage from it over an extended period of time.
The market is just to small to support all the artists wanting to make a living from their music. No matter how you twist and turn and try to find better ways to capitalize as much as you can from the few fans you have, there are just to few of them to make it work.
The problem is not the downloaders, bad distribution deals or lack of proper promotion. The problem is that the product just doesn't have broad enough appeal to be commercially viable.
It seems to me like a lot of people forget that fundamental economical principle nowadays since we have file-sharing to blame. As I remember from when I where young it was no question about that unless you where extremly skilled or lucky you just don't make a living from music unless you make commercial music. Back then I never even came across the nowadays so common idea that it should be some obvious right to make a living by making whatever kind of music you happen to like.
Today a very decent sales figure is 1000 copies...I would probably be glad to sell 500 if I released an album. If I could think of a way to sell 20 times as many copies one album a year would then make me what would be a typical wage in northern Europe.
So even if someone here would think of a way to increase sales 10-20 times compared to what they are today it would still not really interest me and I would still rather keep music as a hobby and have my business as a source of income.
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ocelot
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Posted : May 8, 2009 14:21
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On 2009-05-07 11:27, mk47 wrote:
the deeper message here is , that music wants to be free
gohead , i wait ya eggshellz
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maybe your music wants to be free..
mine wants to be a high class ho |
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ocelot
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Posted : May 8, 2009 14:31
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this is basically about the music being rapidly spread inside the default system for music,apps,movies, etc... the pirate network everyone uses for everything it seems...
labels and distributors and the whole food chain are all too slow compared to the speed a torrent spreads at...
the digital download this is cool, but until your computer accepts paper money this is only in the hands of industrialized country yuppies who have a thing called credit card, debit card, or paypal...
its easier to get it for free than to fuck around trying to make a user profile, and then input credit card info simply to buy a 99cent song... probably also in mp3 because itunes and beatport etc... dont usually work in lossless...
the niche market (not for general public, but for people you might have met at a party for example) of psy means that the distro does not need to copy the "big boys" but instead should focus on what matters...
getting music into the hands of people that want it as soon as possible. hopefully getting something in exchange for that. and having the minimum ecology necessary to do that- (not a lot of middle people between the artist and the buyer. preferably none)
i guess the digital download thing is the THING./
its just a question of underground micro-finance issues...
maybe some kind of account you can top up like you top up your mobile phone at a kiosk... |
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ocelot
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Posted : May 8, 2009 14:35
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thank you all for producing shitty music which floods the market...
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thats a bit true. there needs to be a sexier job in the trance scene so all the people will want to be that and will leave music alone for the music makers at heart...
too many labels also, plus the world in general is flooded in music...
does the world need any more artists?
better to make equipment for artists!
or teach people how to become artists.
hehehe
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Xamanist
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Posted : May 8, 2009 15:32
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i agree with most things said.
i don't want the pressure to make money from music in a tiny market like psytrance, that would kill all that is pleasurable and beautiful in making music.
So I keep my job and do it for fun and love in my spare time. No money stress, better mindset do create beautiful creatures
boom
Sérgio Xamanist
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