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Dear Artist, how many copies of your album were sold?
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moki
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Posted : Dec 7, 2008 23:53
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On 2008-12-07 22:28, Basilisk wrote:
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On 2008-12-07 20:11, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
i think that everyone should become his own label, his own statement and then work together with the bigger distributors. also i find that the business of distribution will also move in direction monopolizing and globalizing, well not total monopolizing but i think that only a few distributors will stay alive and it si good so. |
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I like the idea of empowering artists to take on all the stuff the labels previously did for them... but I have discovered that a lot of artists really like having a label take care of the business end of things (booking, licensing, marketing and promotion, and so on). Plus, not everyone is good as setting up their own web site and managing their affairs online. Many artists would rather spend time in the studio writing music.
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On 2008-12-07 20:11, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
actually the most final thing that i see is a total utopie - that people will pay only as an act of balanced energy in the most final phase. there will be distributors who will offer everything "for free" ( cause it is anyway available for free nowadays and every interested person can download whatever), and people will only pay after they made their choise and as a way to have a balanced energy. |
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Moki, have you ever visited my web site? I am that distributor. Ektoplazm presently serves up more than 40,000 releases a month! That's a lot of music.
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yes, i visited it, i like the general appeal of your website . i dint know that you have 40000 releases. wow thats a lot. sounds like a very big figure to me.
well but it is just another reason to get to know the theory of the long tail better...and btw not only chris anderson, cause he is not even so scientifical in that, he just states the theory in a simple way but doesnt go further...you see as a customer i am lost in 40000 releases. absolutely completely. in comparison if i open amazon i am so amazed. they know me better than i do. then know what interests me, they knew it even after my first visit there after a clicked a few searches. the distributors really have to consider that. programming is everything. recommendations....cause i am sure i would fine quite a lot of interesting stuff even in the other styles that i dont listen often to, but the releases are just so much that i cannot afford to lose time to search for my taste...so i better leave them....
if you compare itunes for instance. see what an incredible fractal they have. they have scenes within the scenes, they dont simply say " here this release is top one ( you know BNE attitude, here proudly present you the best artist of the world)". but you can really move into your fractal and find the top 10 within your fractal. i find this incredible....
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Basilisk
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Posted : Dec 8, 2008 00:03
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I was talking about overall download counts, not individual releases. It is a bit confusing as releases are the fundamental unit on Ektoplazm, not individual songs (as you find elsewhere). Since it is free there is no particular need to break a release apart into its components. Anyhow, 40,000+ downloads are recorded every month, and I underlined "releases" previously to stress that this isn't even the number of songs we traffic on a regular basis. |
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moki
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Posted : Dec 8, 2008 00:33
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downloads, okey, because i was just starting to get a headache. if it is true, than i would really know nothing about this scene. but i learned so many things about the scene from this forum that i didnt know, that i would not surprise if the scene has become so big without me even noticing it...you know....anything is possible.....
as far as i am informed the trance scene is mainstream in israel, which is something so unique and unimaginable for the rest of us, you cant believe.....in other countries we are the big hole of the industry....
40000 downloads also the same thing. fractals withing the fractals are the main thing to create....
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Basilisk
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Posted : Dec 8, 2008 02:35
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PsyDB has posted some stats worth looking at:
http://www.psydb.net/stats/
The first graph indicates at least 600 releases on physical media this year alone. Keep in mind that no digital releases are listed at PsyDB, and of course these numbers only reflect what actually makes it into the database. Still, in terms of numbers, this should give you a (very) rough idea of just how much psytrance is out there.
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moki
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Posted : Dec 8, 2008 11:02
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well my idea was something around 3000-4000 together with the digital releases....( including releases of only 1 track) but 40000 this figure blew me out. i am happy that i misunderstood and it is not true....really.....
but even 3000 is too much.....
i mean for someone who is not involved in putting the best tracks in mixes and i better let others do it cause i dont have the time to listen to everything, but for me even going to psyshop or other distributor is too much desorientation. the distributors should just hack the search methods of amazon and itunes or study them and it will be much better, i am sure....
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Braindrop
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Posted : Dec 8, 2008 14:45
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@ Basilisk....
Wld u be havin any inside information or insight as to an approximate number of downloads for digital releases (lets say for ex. Beatport/Juno) .... i mean per track... for a good compilation?
Something??
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moki
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Posted : Dec 8, 2008 15:31
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and another question, these 40000 downloads...
to how many users do they relate, how much does a user download on the average? and what are the styles? and are they 40000 individual tracks or just the summ of downloads?
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Basilisk
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Posted : Dec 8, 2008 21:26
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On 2008-12-08 14:45, UrbanPsySpirit wrote:
@ Basilisk....
Wld u be havin any inside information or insight as to an approximate number of downloads for digital releases (lets say for ex. Beatport/Juno) .... i mean per track... for a good compilation?
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Nothing substantial, sorry! Trust me, I would REALLY like to know this myself... but all I have are second-hand reports from someone who knows someone running a label releasing on Beatport... or some sob stories from artists who signed with a no-name label and only reached 20 or 30 sales of their debut release after months of being online.
The problem is--and always has been--that it is not in the commercial interest of any artist, label, shop, or distributor to release sales figures unless they are really high.
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moki
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Posted : Dec 8, 2008 21:46
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well then the whole topic is a little bit funny, because they dont show quite high figures here....
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Basilisk
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Posted : Dec 8, 2008 22:10
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Moki, you will note that disclosure is not widespread. As for your other questions...
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On 2008-12-08 15:31, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
and another question, these 40000 downloads...
to how many users do they relate, how much does a user download on the average? and what are the styles? and are they 40000 individual tracks or just the summ of downloads? |
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One of the principles I operate my web site under is the concept of "no registration necessary." Ektoplazm is designed to be extremely accessible; you don't need to sign up to download music, leave comments, and so on. For this reason, I am limited in how I can track individual user behaviour.
In terms of overall traffic, my site has about 1,000 unique visitors every day (at the present time). A rolling total of downloads in the last 24 hours can be seen on the "Top 50 Downloads" page. Still, not everyone is coming by just to download, so you can't read too much into that. From what I hear from people, many download pretty much everything that goes up. The price is right, after all
In terms of style I am fairly inclusive. The selections reflect my diverse taste in psytrance (and several related genres on the periphery). You can hear this for yourself.
Finally, I think I answered your question about the 40,000 figure already. That represents total downloads. Each download is a packaged release in a different format (MP3, FLAC, or WAV). Each package contains all the art and music of a release. The total number of tracks varies from release to release... and so the overall figure representing the number of songs downloaded in a given month is anywhere between 150,000 to 200,000, based on the fact that we have a mix of albums and EPs. |
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shahar
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Posted : Dec 8, 2008 22:14
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I think a more interesting question is not how many people download a release, but how many people really listen to it.....
I guess we can't really know, but it is worth thinking about...
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Posted : Dec 8, 2008 22:27
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Shahar the old days of listening to the same cd for weeks or even months are long gone.You see back then when people didnt have the "privilege" of ten releases a day and of fast internet then new music was highly appreciated and a lot of time was spend on each individual release and people knew tracklists of cds by heart and could even describe how each track sounded like.Good old days with people gathering in houses having fun and speaking about music while the dats/minidiscs and much later cd's (for those who could afford a cd recorder) were copying music on a real time speed since what you could listen was actually what was being recorded in real time so copying 60 new minutes of music actually required 60 real time minutes.
Today people download 50 tracks a day and manage to listen only 20 of them and these while pressing the fast forward button,if it passes the fast forward button test then the song remains on the hard disk,if not its deleted.As simple as that....
The ancient Greeks used to say "pan metron ariston" which translates into "everything with a limit".
I guess the limit in music has long been lost.
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moki
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Posted : Dec 8, 2008 22:34
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wow i am blown. so it is really 40000 releases. it is not just 40000 downloads. i dont know what to say, there is slight possibility that i missunderstand the meaning ( cause i am preconditioned to think in special scientifical terms about media menagement that were planted into my head from the uni - about how you express how much users, how much downloads and how much releases and how much tracks ) but as far as i read, it is 40000 packages or what? i cant believe this. i have to really leave the forum for a while, people, this is a very big figure for me. you are doing big businesses here, i have to go to chillout in the producing section.....
(but btw if you wanna refer to your website as a web 2.0 than you can hardly do it without the act of login of users.....this was the last thing i said for now,i go to chillout somewhere else. wish you luck though, the site looks nice)
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Basilisk
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Posted : Dec 9, 2008 01:07
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On 2008-12-08 22:14, shahar wrote:
I think a more interesting question is not how many people download a release, but how many people really listen to it.....
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That is one reason I find last.fm to be really interesting I would like to know more about what people are actually doing with the downloads... knowing that they are free to take and people might not spend much time on them (although some certainly do).
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On 2008-12-08 22:34, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
wow i am blown. so it is really 40000 releases. it is not just 40000 downloads. i dont know what to say, there is slight possibility that i missunderstand the meaning
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Moki, it doesn't sound as if you understand. Once more, from the top! The unit of measurement in the figure is releases downloaded in a given month: 40,000+. This does not mean we have 40,000 individual titles in stock. (In fact, it is closer to 100.) Each release is downloaded hundreds or thousands of times. Okay? Not sure why you can't grasp this (especially since you can visit the site and see it for yourself!)
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FaceHead
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Posted : Dec 9, 2008 02:08
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well on the less established side of things.... Anom 001 anomalistic behaviors 2cd va sold roughly 150 through saiko sounds and i hand sold about 30 lost about 1000 dollars on the project.
I dont expect future ones to sell that little. Just be ready to take your financial destiny in your own hands face to face selling is a great way to break even since you get all of the money from the disc. and also if you can find an alternative to getting 1000 copies done you should go for it.
i sat on about 500 leftover copies for a couple months then they got stolen out of my car.
:chuck:
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