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Martian Arts
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Posted : Jan 14, 2009 04:24
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On 2009-01-11 16:42, index wrote:
i ve tested qbase vs logic in a very expensive system. (rosetta a/d,d/a +channel routing one by one through 3 motu 896,listenning through Dynaudio bm6a)on a mac .
Same ppl mixing different tracks(100+ch) on different sequencers.
There was nothing to compare,logic was the winner.
There was really big difference in the mix clarity in all frequences so i was really impressed from the result .
Maybe was the sequencers mixer interface that made us mix with more detail in Logic but i still wonder if it was just the engine... 
We never used steinbergs program again .
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I take it you used the exact same plug ins with the exact same settings and all faders at the exact same values? Otherwise that test is irrelevant.
As much as I love Logic (enough to change over from PC to a MacPro at a heartbeat) I think this whole sound engine issue, relies on each sequencer's native plug ins, sounding better than the next ones.
 
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C3PO
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Posted : Jan 15, 2009 02:51
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jinek
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Posted : Mar 17, 2009 12:37
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there is the difference.
at first ableton use 16 bit per track and 24bit on the main mixer
if i'm right cubase use 32 bit sound representation.
the main difference ,i think,is that cubase emluates the analog overdrive on the mixer |
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x-rayz
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Posted : Mar 17, 2009 13:47
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jinek
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Posted : Mar 17, 2009 17:50
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yes, ableton 7.0.3 use 32 floating point
i'm not cubase user, but, as i have heard, cubase can emulate overdriving on it's mixer bus |
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x-rayz
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Posted : Mar 17, 2009 18:25
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Suloo
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Posted : Mar 17, 2009 23:29
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On 2009-03-17 18:25, x-rayz wrote:
emulate overdriving? Havent heard about that..
However, to get this thread over with I can bounce loop in Ableton and in Nuendo and we can ran a blind test here in this thread..
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Do it please..might work..
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x-rayz
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 00:45
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Suloo
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 18:36
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Ok, to my taste/ears the first one sounds a bit more sharp in the highs, almost kind of hard. i tip it is nuendo..
the second one sounds warmer/rounder..i tip its live..
personaly i prefer the first one because i think its more detailed..
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 18:38
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so,.....i have to say i was taken to this thread by friend of mine. i use to work only with ableton live 7 since i left my pc for a macintosh. i had a listen to both loops on my quite cheap ESI speakers.
at first i thought the first loop maybe is cubase with emulated overdrive. have to say the second loop seemed to me bit clearer and warmer.
so think makes sense any DAW has itīs own sound, IMO..... but this is the reason why many people change it time to time. i switched from reason i started with quite some years ago  to cubase and now to ableton. from reason to cubase because itīs such a difference in itīs sound that a change was hardly needed. from cubase to ableton just because of the workflow in live performances. ableton still my choice, even if it seems steinbergīs thinking about live performance in new cubase now.
but yeah, any DAW has itīs own sound. itīs not only difference between fruity loops and logic, think itīs between any DAW. question is how much difference.....
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Suloo
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 18:46
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+1 that every Daw has its own sound..like every VstI has its own sound and the secret is in the code obviously ..same with Daw..imo
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 18:46
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I would say that they are the same, no diffrence to me. After a first listening. Perhaps its a trick, they are made in the same sequencer :)
Am i wrong?
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Suloo
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 18:52
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I thought about the the same..maybe i was too concentrated to actualy wanna hear some imaginary difference..but i would still say it like that..
lets wait for x-rays reply..
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x-rayz
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 20:14
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now, I don't wanna say nothing yet, lets hear what other think..
But one thing I can say for now is that Zork has some incredibly good ears.. Which by the way convinced me that Im not imagining things..
Just to add, I was convinced all DAWs sound the same, I asked abletons support and they said its all the same, but looks like theyre wrong.. I sent the test to them also
The question still remains, were looking for more pairs of fine ears for testing 
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x-rayz
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Posted : Mar 18, 2009 21:49
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I think theres no need to run a test anymore as its obvious..
Im completly agreeing with this Zorks statement..
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On 2009-03-18 18:36, Zork wrote:
Ok, to my taste/ears the first one sounds a bit more sharp in the highs, almost kind of hard. i tip it is nuendo..
the second one sounds warmer/rounder..i tip its live..
personaly i prefer the first one because i think its more detailed..
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First is more sharp, second is warmer I had the same feeling..
And I also like first loop much more for my personal taste in fact..
So Zork, we have a winner, Ableton hides behind first loop, and Nuendo behind second.. U were wrong only about that
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