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PsyTiax
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Posted : Jan 10, 2009 23:44:27
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Hi guys, I have a question regarding daw's sound engines.
Every now and then I read that, for example, Cubase's sound engine is better than Live!.
Now I don't know if it's true or not (don't have much experience), but when I read that the solution chosen by many is to bounce everything to audio in Live! and then export it in Cubase, I get a bit confused.
I mean, if Live! sound engine is inferior, won't this show up in the samples when I record audio inside it, thusfore cancelling the advantages of using Cubase's engine ?
I feel it's a bit like playing 128kbs MP3 on a great sound system.
...I'm not sure if I'm making myself clear... |
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Bmode
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Posted : Jan 10, 2009 23:46
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erm why would you want to export to cubase, why not just work entirly with live? |
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PsyTiax
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Posted : Jan 10, 2009 23:48
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Because apparently Live! sound engine doesn't sounds as good as the one used in Cubase. |
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Bmode
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Posted : Jan 10, 2009 23:54
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what about your interface? your audio interface with its prestien converters? surly it should compinsate. |
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PsyTiax
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Posted : Jan 10, 2009 23:56
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Uh ? I don't understand, if I play a sound file with a very low quality on my computer, I can have the best soundcard and monitors in the world, it won't change the fact that it just sounds bad.
Actually, it will sound even worse on a good system than on a bad (the flaws are more hearable). |
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Bmode
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Posted : Jan 10, 2009 23:57
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true, well what do u think? have u compared them both?
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PsyTiax
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Posted : Jan 10, 2009 23:58
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I said in my first post that I don't have enough experience (nor a good enough sound system) to make up my mind on this right now.
But it's not the question I'm asking. |
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Bmode
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 00:01
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i dont see how any would be different. |
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orange
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 00:37
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 04:57
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Medea
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 05:24
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DAW sound engine is not what you should care about, because, even if they differ in quality, the difference is micro-small.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 05:59
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http://www.kentsandvik.com/2007/10/05/ableton-live-7-and-the-new-64-bit-summing-engine/
Btw music is not always about TOP NOTCH quality.. its about feeling and performance..
i work with cubase, but i also take advantage of FL studio and Reason and Adobe Audition.. with all this gear and some boosting of the outputs you can get very nice results..
if you are comfortable in creating, mixing and finish a track in ableton live you should do it..
but of course read up on how to go around this problem... and im sure in the future ableton will get better and better...
just have fun and be creative.. 
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Elad
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 07:41
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its too easy to notice ableton artifakts even on track with HQ on and even even with no time strech at all!!
the high end loosing something 100% , it could be very small something like in mp3.
anywayz i keep build my live set with it since it offer THAT much... and hoping like FL it will come up with better engine later on.. FL was worth the waiting for sure...
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kahn
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 11:17
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I too am interested to hear more about this.
I am an Ableton user as of now. I've been using it for awhile, and have become quite used to it. I feel VERY comfortable with its interface right now.
Under the same advice, that Ableton's sound engine was bad for one reason or another (from a Logic fan); I decided to try out Cubase. My experience so far with Cubase is that as soon as I boot it up I'm essentially lost. I don't know if it's the versions I've tried (could be buggy), but I can't even get it to do simple things like load up a VST instrument and get audio output with a MIDI.
Anyway, I've essentially been stuck with Ableton; but then I suppose I haven't put a ton of time into learning Cubase either. Logic is currently not an option, may be one later; at which point I'd be willing to try it.
I really really REALLY love the work-flow ("less work, more flow") of Ableton. For production (I haven't used it as a live dj tool or anything) I find the combination of the sequencer view and the mixer style view to be superb.
But I keep hearing this thing about quality being supposedly inferior. I know that many established artists, mainly in other genres like house and techno (such as Deadmau5) are really big on Ableton. But some other people have mentioned that this may be due to the fact that their music's complexity is significantly lower than Psy.
All the major Psy producers I've talked to recommend Cubase or Logic; and when I mention Ableton they speak favorably of its "Live Show" uses; but tell me to shy away from it production wise. But, I have yet to hear a specific technical reason as to why Live is inferior. I have a feeling most of these people just don't like the way that the software works mechanically (which is fine considering we all have style preferences, I mean look at how different Reason is).
If somebody can shed some light on the quality issue with Ableton, I'd love to hear! 
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PsyTiax
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Posted : Jan 11, 2009 12:47
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+1, I'd also really like to hear some opinions on this
Something I heard is that Cubase's tools are way better than Ableton's for everything regarding audio samples tweak. |
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