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DAW for creation Prog ? Best one....
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Obelizk
Amoeba
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Posted : Nov 23, 2011 20:58
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heh.
I've been using Ableton a bit more now just to learn it, and I like it. Cubase is what I use normally.
For me, Ableton will lead your music in a different direction than if you were using cubase, because the workflow is different.
I find myself making songs that are more 'loop-oriented' not that they are so much more simple or whatever, but just the workflow I feel leads me in that direction.
Cubase I feel is more free-form.
Both are great programs, and Ableton def is way lighter on cpu, so that's a huge plus.
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 23, 2011 23:34
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ableton light on cpu? do you agree with this guys?
don't have much experience with ableton 8 but i used it recently and got suprised how bad it is with cpu and how bad it handle big cpu load compared to logic but it in no way a real test..i used it just one afternoon maybe some of the plugs had bug into ableton but it was like i could run just 2/3 of track/plugins that i run usually in logic or cubase .
to me its the most cpu intensive daw ,the less well optimized i tried but maybe something was buggy dunno, other than this it s a great daw |
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Albertos
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Posted : Nov 24, 2011 01:54
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Ableton it's really really the best daw for live perf. No comments about , but for creation and recording , i think , needed to use something more massive . For progressive psychedelic trance , i ' am using minimum 4 types of delay , 2-3 reverbs in fx sections( sends ). Also many vst's to create variations of effects ane melodies , and all this get your system goes heavy , and in my case in ableton its also unstable, cubase already known and proven top professional recording and creation music system in which only your mind and slow pc can stop your project, Ableton it's top professional and proved yourself in live perf. So easy to work with 2 clicks and you already setup your midi controls, amazing , time warp, ... Etc , i love ableton , but i need something real nuclear to finish my tracks in balance and with no thoughts about limitations of vst's and errors , its really inportant to everyone!!!
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Albertos
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Posted : Nov 24, 2011 02:00
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willsanquil
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Posted : Nov 24, 2011 02:21
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I think you're running a bad/cracked/buggy version of ableton if you're having issues with the amount of VSTS and sends and stuff - I can run that amount without ableton worrying about it at all and I have lesser specs on my machine than yours.
Only DAW I've used that is significantly better than Ableton in this regard (in my very limited experience, cubase and logic are in the same ballpark roughly) is Reaper - the same project running 64 bit versions of plugs inside Reaper uses routinely ~50% of the CPU that Ableton uses.
I was amazed at the stability and speed of that program, and if I didn't have so many other things to learn about synths and ableton I would switch over for production to reaper...I intend to eventually but not yet 
Ableton is just too great. The alternative workflow options it allows are nothing short of fantastic - and you still retain traditional timeline style arrangement.
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orange
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Posted : Nov 24, 2011 02:50
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first of all the topic starter is... off topic since the beginning.
i must agree that reaper is the most efficient in cpu terms when handling vst/vsti.
ableton is also good maybe not suits everyone for music creation (me included) but its a good daw that can give quality results and doesnt choke with 3-4 plugins.
cubase is not by all means "nuclear" or the best or top or whatever.. its just a daw that has cons and pros like every other out there.
i want to ask the topic starter if he ever bought any of the apps he tried ?
cracked apps are a double edged knife and cant really compare results of performance using one in my book.
also different system setups cause different performance results (hardware and importantly software differences)
i can have 15% more vst/vsti opened in flstudio 10 than cubase 3 and almost 40% more than in studio one and i have them originals.. other people say that cubase handles vst better than flstudio but that doesnt apply on my system so in my system fl works better.. but i have seen in other systems heavy differences in how daws react to different hardware (i make studio pc's for a living.. at least i did before crisis hit greece) and specially with different audio interfaces.
ive got an native instruments complete audio 6 few days ago for my live setup.. in my studio pc next to my rme in flstudio i can go very low almost match my rme ff400 in terms of latency but in studio one it works like shit (pressing play and the timeline cursor doesnt move and performance is alot higher in the same projects with the same settings like rme + i need to use it with asio4all drivers for asio cos the native one has that timeline cursor bug)
what i want to say is that a universal performance comparison is very hard to do since they are alot of different hardware and software variables to take into consideration.. it even applies to macs also since different macs with different audio interfaces will react differently.
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SineFreq
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Posted : Nov 24, 2011 05:14
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Has anyone heard of ill-gates workflow on ableton? If not I will share a little  |
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Albertos
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Posted : Nov 24, 2011 12:18
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Nectarios
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Posted : Nov 24, 2011 12:38
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Just to give a short indication.
I have logic projects of 80+ channels with 50 channels of soft synths, with 4-5 inserts on each channel, 5-6 space designer and delay designer channels on sends. 30% of these soft synth channels are a mixture of Trillian, Sylenth, Korg Legacy MS-20, Imposcar, Albino 3, and on the audio tracks, Sonnox plugs, Soundtoys plugs (lots of) and some Waves.
My 1gb RAM quad Xeon 2.66Ghz MacPro CPU meters go at about 60%, my 4gb RAM i7 MacBookPro is a bit less than 50%.
There is definitely something wrong with your computer/set-up. What you describe as too much is something like 10% on my system.
Peace out.
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 24, 2011 12:40
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On 2011-11-24 02:21, willsanquil wrote:
Only DAW I've used that is significantly better than Ableton in this regard (in my very limited experience, cubase and logic are in the same ballpark roughly) is Reaper - the same project running 64 bit versions of plugs inside Reaper uses routinely ~50% of the CPU that Ableton uses.
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yeah reaper is good in that regard i think logic is between live and reaper in term of performance, cubase 5 is a bit worse than logic i think on mac one problem is cause it use asio and not core audio. but i even find it suprising how fast the cpu load is important on ableton at 96khz i maxed the cpu with just a few cpu intensive plugins got clicks and pops but never had this with as few plugins in logic or cubase, i have seen some report online about high cpu load compared to other daw it s maybe mac related dunno.. but except this i think if i would start all again i would choose live or logic for composing, best daws for me |
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 24, 2011 12:54
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i got suprised by the quality of live 8 bundled plugins too , there is some great stuff there, like logic no need anything more to get decent mix but i think most daw now made a big jump in bundled plugins quality , studio one and fl look great too for this |
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Cardinals Cartel
Black Machine
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Posted : Nov 24, 2011 13:00
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During the years i use many producing programs on many computers , I start produce on cubase 2 , Reason and Fl , Logic 5.1 , Then Cubase 3 come and so Nuendo so i check them all , And now i work with Protool - (More on rock music and songs) , So i think i know what im talking about .
I have 100 new vsts 2010 - 2011 .
When i open a project (In Cubase) i like open 50 channels (Only for/On the intro , 10 - 15 Vsts for the harmony) , Each sound with his own track , So each sound can get/Have his own touch , Level , Vol , Eq , Compressor , Effect , Mix And so , And you can leave them all work/Open and all run fine .
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Cardinals Cartel
Black Machine
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Posted : Nov 24, 2011 14:49
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P.s -
So ok i mix it up and export all into an 1 pad on a 1 track But then start the track So again many channels haz open with an many tools in the air , Some times in the end or a middle of the track i found myself with an 137 (In the middle) 190 (In the end) + Effects and all whats need And yet Cubase holding that and never crash , And theres no any connection if you buy the daw or download it from the net or got from friends , This is 90% nonsense , I never buy any vst or daw , And i work with an realy old computer - E3300 Duo Core 2 With 2 ram of memo , And i also work here on WaveLab and Sound Forge and all works fine ! .
So we agree this is not about the computer this is about the daw and the power (The real one , Not the faked) In 1 word - Quality , In 3 words - Space , Expanse & realness , I dont talk only about the sound of each sound and sound i also mean to the all global sound you can get and so the sound possibilitys (Qualitys levels) When you can feel free (And be satisfied) to creat the real thing and hear it the way he is (The way you imagine it without being limited) .
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Nov 24, 2011 15:10
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Reaper doesn't have any native synths, does it? |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Nov 24, 2011 15:39
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The most crashes I had were with cubase , following prettey closed to by PRo Tools.
About Ableton I trust 100% in what I learned. Ableton has something prettey decent in it's code in terms of stability or lighness to CPU.
Reaper I know but have no clue about CPU stability but I can imagnie it is in the near of Ableton.
Logic is great I would say in terms of stability only a bit after Ableton, but that's just intuitive subjective feeling.
However there are still possibilities to reduce systems performance by bouncing or freezing .
Or maybe freeing cpu from some different background services or viruses in PC's etc.
Anyways when it comes to PRo TOols, Cubase or Logic, Logic is for sure superlight for CPU that's a big plus imo.
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