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Posted : Jan 16, 2011 07:03
But yeah, if 'dark' psytrance artists are trying to be 'dark', then yeah, I would probably just find that kind of silly. I guess.
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Posted : Jan 16, 2011 08:24
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On 2007-10-11 07:51, Rathead wrote:
So... who can give me some
advice on how to make a killer
dark sound?
Or a twisted bassline?
Or just some good new vst's ...
As im always said this is all about feeling , There no special way to creat dark or prog or fullon , The production process go's the same and only the sounds change .
You can use many kind of basslines to creat an good , Massive and deep dark one .
This is not the vst's , This is you .
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Posted : Jan 16, 2011 08:44
I would say there is a boring formula otherwise people would be so ironic about it all!
There really are formulas to everything, But and this is the interesting part, you can break formulas and do something unique! And dont be lazy, be a freak!
Too me darkpsy is this formulatic music that sounds very annoying.
But what we call forest psy is to me the good stuff, Like Derango, Dohm, Atriohm, Silly Twit, Setanic, Mindflow ect ect... thats some good deep stuff IMO
Ther other stuff is just terror music, and pics of satan and all other kind of tortures pics suits for it. it might be nice with one or two tracks the most if you feel very frustrated and want to translate it into music.. I really think this is my true opinion about this stuff, BUT i think it has a place and that if well crafted can be good and even interesting. But its just too much most of the time...
Now if you want to make Psytrance, any sub-genre of it, you should be innovative and focus as much as possible on details. Lets face it we got a ton of psytrance we really need to innovate this stuff more and its very much possible, the question is how to innovate! And there is luckily no answer to this, just action, motion and experimentation!
Its all about flipping the coin, spinning it, throwing it and even chew it, Eat the apple split the seed take the orange, eat it and spit out the seed and merge it with the apple seed and than take a carrot and drill a hole in it and put the seeds there and put it all in the soil and it might become a appleorangecarrot, if you need more special fruits you can invent them!
too me its all about being bold, when making real psy i can fill all 8 inserts with effects, rout it to a grouptrack and fill all those 8 inserts, export it to audio and fill that audiotracks 8 inserts... yeah you get the point!
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Posted : Jan 16, 2011 17:29
it seems like all this hating on what kind of music this thread is supposed to be about is whats truly dark. not the music. if you don't like it stay away and let be.
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Posted : Jan 16, 2011 18:23
antidentity - i dont know which people you suggest, but sure its must be a difference on hate and harsh opinions?
maybe i was a bit harsh, haha but sometimes its just fucked up noise, its like giving the dance floor a good workout and brainfuck, haha, marching in high tempo, But like i said i do think it has a time and a place, but a whole party with these kinds of sounds would make me leave. Now dont you think a party is for everyone, and that its important that everybody can have their opinion, cause many times mostly some years ago darkspy was the only music they played for hours and hours. Its mind numbing and really not that uplifting as i see this style as a way to blow off stem and frustrations.
anyway
It dont pierce my spot right now.
but im not hating on it and i dont think anyone is really, they are just as the music reflect showing their darkside, haha
Still to get the balance back, there are some good darkpsy, thats innovate and playful and more funky. but its not the ordinary stuff
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Posted : Jan 16, 2011 18:30
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On 2011-01-16 18:23, Freeflow wrote:
Its mind numbing and really not that uplifting as i see this style as a way to blow off stem and frustrations.
This is just your opinion, though. For me, I don't listen to it to blow off steam/vent out frustrations (mostly because I don't have many). I feel totally elated when I'm listening to this stuff. I love dark forest because it is deep and atmospheric (a total contrast to the amount of what I would call throwaway full on these days), and I find music like Kindzadza and Furious to be stupendously uplifting (there's nothing dark about their music whatsoever).
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Posted : Jan 16, 2011 18:59
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On 2011-01-16 18:23, Freeflow wrote:
Its mind numbing and really not that uplifting as i see this style as a way to blow off stem and frustrations.
This is just your opinion, though. For me, I don't listen to it to blow off steam/vent out frustrations (mostly because I don't have many). I feel totally elated when I'm listening to this stuff. I love dark forest because it is deep and atmospheric (a total contrast to the amount of what I would call throwaway full on these days), and I find music like Kindzadza and Furious to be stupendously uplifting (there's nothing dark about their music whatsoever).
So then they must not be darkpsy.
For the record i said i like forest psy,
Really its about time to be even more specific about the sounds, Cause i believe we got something that is called terror-psy which is being labeled darkpsy which is often confused with forest-psy..
So let me clarify that i am talking about somekind of Terror-psy...
this might be a bad example, but this is just annoying to me, and there are worser stuff probably being labeled under darkpsy
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Compared to this, can you notice a difference, and would you call both styles darkpsy??
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Posted : Jan 16, 2011 19:44
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On 2011-01-16 08:44, Freeflow wrote:
Its all about flipping the coin, spinning it, throwing it and even chew it, Eat the apple split the seed take the orange, eat it and spit out the seed and merge it with the apple seed and than take a carrot and drill a hole in it and put the seeds there and put it all in the soil and it might become a appleorangecarrot, if you need more special fruits you can invent them!
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Posted : Jan 16, 2011 21:37
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On 2011-01-16 18:59, Freeflow wrote:
So then they must not be darkpsy.
For the record i said i like forest psy,
Really its about time to be even more specific about the sounds, Cause i believe we got something that is called terror-psy which is being labeled darkpsy which is often confused with forest-psy..
So let me clarify that i am talking about somekind of Terror-psy...
Oh, I know exactly what you mean - I've heard Psy Horror Noize before and they're fucking terrible. I really dislike terror/horror psy - it's cheesy beyond belief, and fucking messy.
I clearly see the distinction between the two styles above (I am in fact a bit of a forest psy obsessive... it's the main type of style I produce ) - I'm just saying that, while different musically and stylistically, both horror and forest are subgenres of dark, as is the style produced by Kindzadza and Electrypnose. And again, it's a bit of a pain using the term 'dark' because I find it to be a misnomer on the whole.
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Posted : Jan 17, 2011 16:58
its only stupid names and pictures
what if i call the track "satans most evil and deep place "
or i would call it " Hadbyaloipism"
orrr " alien cheese?"
orrrrr " smelly socks for breakfast"
orrrrrrrrrr "dripping wet and hot"
orrrrrrrrr "boom shiva sub kuch milega sub kesat hare hare bom bolenat "
orrrrrrrrrrrrrr " you get the point?"
would now my kick and bass would not say dum daga dum daga dum dag dududum daga and so on? it is just bullshit. in terms of production and sound quality most "forest" psy is totaly shit imho. does it makes the sound better if it is called "trippy fairies"? nooo .
http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers Wierd shit happens :)
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music doesnt care what ou call it. in fact this is just human we use to name everything and split everything again and again in to again smaller pieces....
so whatever you wanna call it, how someone will achieve will be always different, cause what you guys think to be "dark" will not be the same than i do think...
soO, theres no dark like theres no trance, no dark, no light, no good no bad. its all about taste an preferences. i like psychedelic music, like said, this can be any style, many not beeing psytrance at all. so go ahead and keep limit yourself, close your eyes and keep blind, theres nothing more to learn for you dark is shit and light is supposed to get by puttin my dick into my wall socket....
genres are made by humans and i dont get why all think they have to follow like gregarious animals. 10 years ago no one even thought to name jahbo a "dark" artist and im not quite sure if he´s fine with that ^^ like most will not be, 16 years old kids happy doin their first gigs cause anyone can play today surely bring us the exception. i dont care at the end, the audience makes the decision, not we do. we started to split the party, split what has been fine but not enough and now we throw deep shit at it, cause we start to differe and put our fingers at what we dislike. pretty much always the same, not enough, getting more, start to dislike to be able to split again to get more. thats human not only with music.... seems to be cool, as i see most ppl deeply enjoying their behavior....
hm, dunno, one should give it a thought before starting discussions like those and giving some oil into the fire. remember some years ago we have been those kids with the only wish to push our things forward, just possibilities have been different. they changed and we´re getting old dudes. so now it´s our mission to guide these kids and do our job like others did when we were young. it´s completely failed nagging on a subgenre of a subgenre of many subgenres, which all is at the end our beloved music.
i remember many styles of music i was really cohered to until i found something interesting in it and that moment a wall inside us breaks letting in all the beauty one wasnt able to achieve, because one kept eyes closed beeing blind....
to come to the point, i dont like silly music without psychedelic content and thats what one could say. i wouldnt go for name artists here, as this is pretty relative what i wouldnt call psychedelic will be highly psychedelic for anyone else at same time. and theres the point, many things can be interpreted into this word, i found any discussion about this and its meaning is completely senseless imo. it´s like sense of our life and its meaning, anyone of us has to find for his/her own. there will be ppl out there telling you this music to be highly psychedelic as its showing the deep abysses of humans by cutting SAW 1-6 onto a spongy bassline with some random percussions through our well beloved dblue glitch machine. anyways, we need to respect this opinion, cause theres a human beeing achieving something different, or do i nag on you cause you hear different??? will the next split be the prohibition of beeing and thinking different?
m2c, chant my signature and the sun will shine where it´s not supposed to
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On 2011-01-19 09:16, -=Mandari=- wrote:
music doesnt care what ou call it. in fact this is just human we use to name everything and split everything again and again in to again smaller pieces....
so whatever you wanna call it, how someone will achieve will be always different, cause what you guys think to be "dark" will not be the same than i do think...
soO, theres no dark like theres no trance, no dark, no light, no good no bad. its all about taste an preferences. i like psychedelic music, like said, this can be any style, many not beeing psytrance at all. so go ahead and keep limit yourself, close your eyes and keep blind, theres nothing more to learn for you dark is shit and light is supposed to get by puttin my dick into my wall socket....
genres are made by humans and i dont get why all think they have to follow like gregarious animals. 10 years ago no one even thought to name jahbo a "dark" artist and im not quite sure if he´s fine with that ^^ like most will not be, 16 years old kids happy doin their first gigs cause anyone can play today surely bring us the exception. i dont care at the end, the audience makes the decision, not we do. we started to split the party, split what has been fine but not enough and now we throw deep shit at it, cause we start to differe and put our fingers at what we dislike. pretty much always the same, not enough, getting more, start to dislike to be able to split again to get more. thats human not only with music.... seems to be cool, as i see most ppl deeply enjoying their behavior....
hm, dunno, one should give it a thought before starting discussions like those and giving some oil into the fire. remember some years ago we have been those kids with the only wish to push our things forward, just possibilities have been different. they changed and we´re getting old dudes. so now it´s our mission to guide these kids and do our job like others did when we were young. it´s completely failed nagging on a subgenre of a subgenre of many subgenres, which all is at the end our beloved music.
i remember many styles of music i was really cohered to until i found something interesting in it and that moment a wall inside us breaks letting in all the beauty one wasnt able to achieve, because one kept eyes closed beeing blind....
to come to the point, i dont like silly music without psychedelic content and thats what one could say. i wouldnt go for name artists here, as this is pretty relative what i wouldnt call psychedelic will be highly psychedelic for anyone else at same time. and theres the point, many things can be interpreted into this word, i found any discussion about this and its meaning is completely senseless imo. it´s like sense of our life and its meaning, anyone of us has to find for his/her own. there will be ppl out there telling you this music to be highly psychedelic as its showing the deep abysses of humans by cutting SAW 1-6 onto a spongy bassline with some random percussions through our well beloved dblue glitch machine. anyways, we need to respect this opinion, cause theres a human beeing achieving something different, or do i nag on you cause you hear different??? will the next split be the prohibition of beeing and thinking different?
m2c, chant my signature and the sun will shine where it´s not supposed to
cheers: stephan
Very well put! Nice read indeed
I was wrong to ever try to discuss this and all in all it would only be my thoughts. And i must state that i clearly said that most music has its place some where and some time.
I agree with your signature Mandari!
Though once we get into the discussion about hatred in music and spreading hateful messeages, what is your standing point? is this "love of music" or blasphemy
Maybe its no use going here, haha
just accept the diversity of mankind and that we are sometimes a bunch of idiots, and more focus on the good message and things that gives a life a good meaning.
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because to the uninitiated (like me) it sounds like kick+bass plus either white noise or a harsh fm-sound on which you place dblue glitch (or effectrix) and press the random button until you reach a rhytmic effect.
i actually tried that right now and came up with a pattern that could for all i know have occurred in a track by highko, cosmo, furious and the like. i really couldn't tell the difference.
That's the thing - to the uninitiated ear, stuff like Furious just sounds like noise. I used to be into full on, liked some 'dark' but never really got into it. That's changed over the past year or so, though. In my opinion, the music of Kindzadza, Furious, et al, is the most cutting edge in terms of production in psytrance today. It's extremely technical to make. All of those glitches would have been done manually by chopping into the waveform and doing shit from there (seriously, dBlue Glitch is shit - such a horrible sound). It's a really technical style of music and I fucking love it. I don't find it dark either; it uplifts and energises me more than anything!
Also, there's different styles of 'dark' psy (or nighttime psy, as I prefer to call it). For example, the forest psy of Atriohm is nothing like the glitchy psy of Kindzadza...
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your first example is actually pretty listenable and reminds me of darkpsy back in 2003/2004 (used to love that stuff back then before i got into more melodic music). now i wouldn't want to listen to that music for a whole night, but mixed with some psytrance from around 2000 like the delta, early hux flux, koxbox and the like with maybe some penta thrown in, i'd love it
i know there's a lot of thought and work put into that music, but the second example still sounds like annoying random noise to me. different sounds for different folks. i only wish there was a decent amount of parties in my area not playing that glitchy sound all night long
Fairy muff, man. I find both styles ultra psychedelic tbh. That's why I'm not so into full-on these days, it just doesn't warp my mind as it should and I find the structures and sounds have become too cliched and predictable.
That said, you can't beat some nice morning full-on at a big outdoor festival like Ozora, in the blistering sun, with loads of smiley, happy hippies dancing vibin' off each other.
) - I'm just saying that, while different musically and stylistically, both horror and forest are subgenres of dark, as is the style produced by Kindzadza and Electrypnose. And again, it's a bit of a pain using the term 'dark' because I find it to be a misnomer on the whole. 
