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Seppa
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Posted : Oct 13, 2007 10:08
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There is some good dark psy out there but it has nothing to do with what people commonly call dark psy on this forum. Dark soho and rinkadink is an example of good dark stuff.
I understand the "there is no recipe" since dark tracks might have very little in common except the dark vibe.
on the other hand I must agree with buck boy
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i.e. detuned instruments, heavy contrasts, noise & grundgey industrial percs, wholetone or minor scales, chromatic notes, odd modulations.
stumbling disjointed rhythms, autistic type slow repetition.
Personally I also like claustrophobic reverb effects, or just plain weird disorienting reverb. |
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This is a good observation that should definatly put anyone wanting to do dark stuff on the right path.
Its easy to make something dissonant but its very difficult to make it musical and creating that feeling of fear or psychedelia
Good dark is just good but unfortunatly its the rarest form of dark psy.
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metalball
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Posted : Oct 13, 2007 10:11
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or just listen to Penta
the album Penta files
or Rinkadink - Rabbit from the darkside  ~
high class darkpsy..
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Rinkadink is high class dark psy?
what happend to the old real high class dark psy ?
names like Tripiatrik, Paps, G.O.W, Magus, Yumade, Insect Intakt, Loopus in Fabula??
this is the real dark psy! now, how do you make a track like Rikki Mratin/Tripiatrik?
this is the high class dark psy!
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 13, 2007 11:51
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metalball - hehe concider your signature i would say you are very limited (and i agree oldschool dark was more intresting usualy , but g.o.w aint 134 bpm lol for sure )
p/s loopus ?? thats funky morning to my ears 
some more real tips
the half tone interval is very simple but works very good on many many tracks with dark feeling , remember "jaw" melody? just before the shark attack ? it dont have to get safisticated to be able to catch a feeling
also i would think to use some death metal harmonics can help , like play chord: E+Asharp
(in middle age they would kill u like witch if u used this chord , it was officialy not leagal hehe)
beside synthesis stuff i also like the use of samples like night forest creatures , strong wind , trains , sea waves , machines , doors crackin , water drop etc.
it might apply to all psy , but to me this samples next to a good dark kick bassline only, allready make me wanna see the black forest
and pads , lots of pads , atmosphere is one of the most important things
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Psytracked
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Posted : Oct 13, 2007 12:06
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Oh and don't forget to turn the lights off.
Or you could wear sun glasses or turn the computer monitor off. |
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metalball
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Posted : Oct 13, 2007 13:47
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metalball - hehe concider your signature i would say you are very limited (and i agree oldschool dark was more intresting usualy , but g.o.w aint 134 bpm lol for sure )
p/s loopus ?? thats funky morning to my ears
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my signature reflects the BPM i try to work with on my projects because i love working with slow BPM trance...
but it reflects nothing for the music i love!
you absolutely right, GOW is 150+, so is Magus...
but thats deffinetly the real stuff!
listen to the track of Tripiatrik i've recommended, the beauty of dark psy...
i don't think there is a room for comparing Penta vs Tripiatrik !
or is it just me?
PS! Loopus have some morning stuff, but have some hardcore oldschool heavy stuff as well!
and OMG, making that square bass fit so damn good into psy track! now thats good stuff...
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knocz
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Posted : Oct 14, 2007 15:24
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Some great dark artists: Cosmo, Parasense and Xama Circus.
I think we have some good material going on here, besides of all the gibberish you find in all forums.
I have to say the hardest for me is those dark leads.. They all have abnormal LFO's, and a great knowledge of synth tweaking.
What I hate most in Dark Psy is the monotony of most of the tracks.... I say have fun making the track, trying not to make one bar the same as the last. Long bar melodies mixed with 4th or 8th melodies. Can anybody else help in this area please??
But I love to dj dark.. It's like goa, the dj can really play with the sound. With plain full on, it's just not that easy or fun.. A lot of the song don't fit in together
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ZenMind
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Posted : Oct 15, 2007 00:48
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The process of making Dark psy is exactly the oposite of making any kind of electronic music, wen u find the rule to make a nice sounding track BREAK IT!
Dont give a shit if your synth is sounding like A, B or C no one said that a high pitched fm sound is more psychedelic or darker than any other sound you find that fits perfectly into your track.
Take ideas from here and there and wen you power your music machine forget them all and listen to whats going on inside yourself, thats from were the killer tracks come.
To make a good professional sounding track theres no way around studying, trial & error procedure takes too long. The more you study the more you will understand the little tricks that makes your track sound huge and Megafuckingnifick.
Making fast and furious music without feeling what you create makes your tracks lifeless and just a bunch of weird fucking noises (thats what 89% of so called dark psy is now). Wen you see yourself just trowing a hand full of samples and raising the bpm with an ascrutiating ear killing sounding synth that loops the same note the intire track then its time to call it a day, sleep, and maybe...maybe make some full on 
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
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Posted : Oct 15, 2007 11:59
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If you wanna do dark psy, just start a new project play whatever shit sound you like and in the end if it sounds like shit....you have it ! A killer dark track !
A bounch of kids reading the "New Tracks Section" will scream: WOW, this is a killer track ! lol
Come on peoples, let's be seriouse ! We talk here about music production, not about dark !
This thread is from the begining Off topic !
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hugaw
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Posted : Oct 15, 2007 13:32
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check out the new VA from Rudraksh Records, "Deep Fried", you'll get an idea of the darkpsy's newest turn.
Psy stuff : myspace.com/neyaprod
Non-psy stuff : myspace.com/cheaperbits
french psy production forum : http://www.hadra.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=18 |
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bukboy
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Posted : Oct 15, 2007 15:25
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Irrespectively of genre there are rules in any form of artistic expression for attaining mood.
For example (please bear with me) when making lyrics rhythmic, short and predictable you are in essence making a lyric that is lacking in depth.
When making lyrics that are long, unpredictably rhythmic, and dynamic, you are making a lyric that is more abstract.
Either of these can be used in concert for the correct effect that should be consistent with the somatic content of the lyrics.
This also applies to melodies and placements in moods of pieces.
So no.. dont just sit down and "make music". learn something about it first.
If you choose to break these rules then it will be for the effect of contrast and has to be done with double care. Not for the fuck of it. Because although you maybe lucky once or twice to make a composition with integrity, luck always runs out. |
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Spycht
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Posted : Oct 15, 2007 20:29
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On 2007-10-15 11:59, The_Guardians_Of_Truth wrote:
If you wanna do dark psy, just start a new project play whatever shit sound you like and in the end if it sounds like shit....you have it ! A killer dark track !
A bounch of kids reading the "New Tracks Section" will scream: WOW, this is a killer track ! lol
Come on peoples, let's be seriouse ! We talk here about music production, not about dark !
This thread is from the begining Off topic !
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The definition of music is something along the lines of sound in time. Darkpsy is music plain and simple. You are the one who is off-topic sir. Beyond that good darkpsy makes use of incredibly talented synth programming and if that's not one of the things meant to be discussed in a music production forum then apparently I missed something along the way. |
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
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Posted : Oct 15, 2007 20:58
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On 2007-10-15 20:29, Spycht wrote:
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On 2007-10-15 11:59, The_Guardians_Of_Truth wrote:
If you wanna do dark psy, just start a new project play whatever shit sound you like and in the end if it sounds like shit....you have it ! A killer dark track !
A bounch of kids reading the "New Tracks Section" will scream: WOW, this is a killer track ! lol
Come on peoples, let's be seriouse ! We talk here about music production, not about dark !
This thread is from the begining Off topic !
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The definition of music is something along the lines of sound in time. Darkpsy is music plain and simple. You are the one who is off-topic sir. Beyond that good darkpsy makes use of incredibly talented synth programming and if that's not one of the things meant to be discussed in a music production forum then apparently I missed something along the way.
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man, grow up !
Don't you see i made a joke ? In the end, i don't really give a shit about any kind of discutions when it's about "dark". For me "dark" will always be shit music (with few exception of course..but i am not talking about exceptions here I am taking about the whole style)
I don't give a shit how loud the "kids" will scream "this is music, or this is the real psychedelic music". I am music composer electronic since 1992 and i make "goa trance" since '95-96, also I have lot of musical background beside me, so when i see topics like "how to make a stupid one note playing distorted bassline, or how to choose the most stupid kick drum in the world, or where i can find the Albino2 "Synth Fx" presets bank which is used in every "dark" track on earth...well...OH YEAH !!!!
It makes my laugh like crazy !
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Zoopy
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Posted : Oct 15, 2007 21:42
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On 2007-10-15 11:59, The_Guardians_Of_Truth wrote:
If you wanna do dark psy, just start a new project play whatever shit sound you like and in the end if it sounds like shit....you have it ! A killer dark track !
A bounch of kids reading the "New Tracks Section" will scream: WOW, this is a killer track ! lol
Come on peoples, let's be seriouse ! We talk here about music production, not about dark !
This thread is from the begining Off topic !
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Thanks for sharing bro
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EYB
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Posted : Oct 15, 2007 22:20
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On 2007-10-15 20:58, The_Guardians_Of_Truth wrote:
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On 2007-10-15 20:29, Spycht wrote:
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On 2007-10-15 11:59, The_Guardians_Of_Truth wrote:
If you wanna do dark psy, just start a new project play whatever shit sound you like and in the end if it sounds like shit....you have it ! A killer dark track !
A bounch of kids reading the "New Tracks Section" will scream: WOW, this is a killer track ! lol
Come on peoples, let's be seriouse ! We talk here about music production, not about dark !
This thread is from the begining Off topic !
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The definition of music is something along the lines of sound in time. Darkpsy is music plain and simple. You are the one who is off-topic sir. Beyond that good darkpsy makes use of incredibly talented synth programming and if that's not one of the things meant to be discussed in a music production forum then apparently I missed something along the way.
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man, grow up !
Don't you see i made a joke ? In the end, i don't really give a shit about any kind of discutions when it's about "dark". For me "dark" will always be shit music (with few exception of course..but i am not talking about exceptions here I am taking about the whole style)
I don't give a shit how loud the "kids" will scream "this is music, or this is the real psychedelic music". I am music composer electronic since 1992 and i make "goa trance" since '95-96, also I have lot of musical background beside me, so when i see topics like "how to make a stupid one note playing distorted bassline, or how to choose the most stupid kick drum in the world, or where i can find the Albino2 "Synth Fx" presets bank which is used in every "dark" track on earth...well...OH YEAH !!!!
It makes my laugh like crazy !
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Hi
In my opinion it is ok that u don't like one kind of music, in this case darkpsy, but you sound very aggressive and attacking..can't understand this..try to realize that taste is very relative. Furthermore it changes like everything in life maybe u like darkpsy tomorrow
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piXan
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Posted : Oct 16, 2007 02:50
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On 2007-10-15 20:58, The_Guardians_Of_Truth wrote:
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On 2007-10-15 20:29, Spycht wrote:
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On 2007-10-15 11:59, The_Guardians_Of_Truth wrote:
If you wanna do dark psy, just start a new project play whatever shit sound you like and in the end if it sounds like shit....you have it ! A killer dark track !
A bounch of kids reading the "New Tracks Section" will scream: WOW, this is a killer track ! lol
Come on peoples, let's be seriouse ! We talk here about music production, not about dark !
This thread is from the begining Off topic !
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The definition of music is something along the lines of sound in time. Darkpsy is music plain and simple. You are the one who is off-topic sir. Beyond that good darkpsy makes use of incredibly talented synth programming and if that's not one of the things meant to be discussed in a music production forum then apparently I missed something along the way.
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man, grow up !
Don't you see i made a joke ? In the end, i don't really give a shit about any kind of discutions when it's about "dark". For me "dark" will always be shit music (with few exception of course..but i am not talking about exceptions here I am taking about the whole style)
I don't give a shit how loud the "kids" will scream "this is music, or this is the real psychedelic music". I am music composer electronic since 1992 and i make "goa trance" since '95-96, also I have lot of musical background beside me, so when i see topics like "how to make a stupid one note playing distorted bassline, or how to choose the most stupid kick drum in the world, or where i can find the Albino2 "Synth Fx" presets bank which is used in every "dark" track on earth...well...OH YEAH !!!!
It makes my laugh like crazy !
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so you are going to save the future of psytrance?? good man. lets hear about it..
"dark will always be shit music" ... haha now thats a real mature comment from an experienced psy musician. |
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