Shamanism is an arrangement for psychic, emotional, and spiritual healing and for expedition, self-discovery and cognition gathering about non- material worlds and states of mind..
Pseudom, Contemporary, Traditional, Core, Non-traditional, Neo and Techno-shamanism are just a few types..
This is page 5, we can reflect towards the chakras if ya wish to dive into it.. like the throat region, learning to express oneself and one’s beliefs. Even hormonal disorders such as PMS come through this as well
The universal balancing act of the 5th dimension is another good tool for the shaman..
Realization is one of the fields of energy as well..
"If You Always Think What You've Always Thought, You Will Always Feel What You've Always Felt"
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As soon as they're referred to as 'dark psy artists', for me they fade out, not stand out.
Keep it psychedelic and it's anything and everything.
Can you look me in the eye and tell me this is not psychedelic and not standing out?
Its with my psychedelic standards, but the composition is lacking some maturity, imo. And the layer of atmosphere they add to every track starts to get a little contrived. Maybe that's my issue. If there's too much 'dark' element added, it sounds contrived. and contrived == cheesy.
I come from hardcore punk, thrash metal and heavy music like Neurosis so it's probably made me more used to what people call 'dark' to where for me it's just normal. And when psy artists add 'dark' elements it more than often sounds contrived and cheesy.
And what is the point of dark psy anyway? To get you to reach your fears? I can only get there with music that gives me a blank canvas for my own journey.
So, to get back on topic. Here's some dark psy that stands out for me: disco hooligans - Darjeeling Express. It provides a good canvas for me to explore my fears. (and my joys.)
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Posted : Sep 28, 2010 18:29
Droping some names of prodcucers who usually are labeled as dark,night,forest,twilight,SA style, or whatever, that i recommend.There is a bit different sound approach amongst some,but all are in most cases categorised into the "twilight map".
Atriohm
Derango
Droniebixie
Gappeq
Phatmatix
Shift
Abomination
Menog
Dissociactive
Dohm
Tryon
Access gremlin
Digital talk
Kluster
Bodhisattva 13:20
Attoya
REV
Khopat
Orca
Killer buds
Purosurpo
Mindcore
Encephalopaticys
Kerosene club
Wizard Lizard
Naked tourist
Kindzadza
Sidhartha
Grapes of Wrath
Phyx
Outer signal
Zion Linguist
Tryambaka
Hydraglyph
Maine Coon
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Posted : Sep 28, 2010 18:53
Rich,
I get what you’re saying.
In fact, that “contrived == cheesy” statement should be pinned as a separate sticky to every forum on IsraTrance.
Dohm’s stuff is pretty tasteful, though. IMHO, of course. Atriohm is another one I like. Both are forest trance, but it’s still a subset of darkpsy. They leave more to your imagination and less to forcing scary stuff on you.
About creating an overall mood without too much specifics (like movie samples and lectures on the pharmacology of DMT) – here is a soundtrack to my usual night dreams. Pretty dark, while it’s not darkpsy but new-school Goa. It’s a bit OT, though, since the OP asked specifically about darkpsy artists (to which neither Filteria nor Disco Hooligans belong )
In your earlier post you commented on the nature of sounds/samples. Like if they match the mood of the track too obviously, it becomes cheesy – whether it’s funny/happy stuff in full on or spooky/horror stuff in darkpsy. I agree with that. Enough spoon-feeding already. “Free. Your. Mind.” my ass!
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Posted : Sep 29, 2010 11:47
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... the OP asked specifically about darkpsy artists (to which neither Filteria nor Disco Hooligans belong )
Exactly and we intend to keep it that way.
To make a more clear point of my views, "darkpsy" is an "unfortunate" attempt to name the fast and noisy stuff. I don't know how it latched on, from my experience, it sounded cool to the younger audience (at the time), pointing out to something "serious" or "dark"... although the sounds in the actual music, were far from "serious" or "dark".
There was serious and dark psychedelic tunes years before, people came up with the term "darkpsy".
Some people call it "forest" psy, although there was a lot of music, suited more for and played in forest parties...many years before someone thought that one up.
So again the term was way off, or a good 15 years late to be more precise.
Then there's the neuro term...which for me seems a bit more cohesive with the music, so much weirdness and dissonance, it does seem like someone is internally bombarding your neurons, until you break up from the inside, to the point where you can't even think anymore, or even acknoledge your self, you can't even remember what your own name is...
Personally I've been lucky enough, to reach that level of trance, many times in my life, with "plain good ol' psy-trance", but again, its all a matter of labeling, which for me, is the last thing that matters.
Back in the '90s we used to categorise psy-trance styles, according to the label....Flying Rhino style, Dragonfly style, Blue Room style, Spiral Traxx style, D. Drum style, Atomic records style...it was all called psy-trance, but using record labels names to define the sound, was a lot more coherent + there were no stupid arguments about what is what.
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but now with 100s of labels coming up everyday...... we cant box the music into these label style music.... of course there are some sticking to the roots!
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but now with 100s of labels coming up everyday...... we cant box the music into these label style music.... of course there are some sticking to the roots!
The important ones, are the ones who carry their own style/signature sound. When I say Nano (ok leave Protoculture's LP out), you know the sound I mean. When I say Parvati, you know what I mean, when I say 3D Visio, or Suntrip, you know what I mean...and so forth.
Whether I like their sound or not, these are a few labels who have their own signature sound, hence, referencing something by using their name, is a very credible way of describing the music's style.
http://soundcloud.com/martianarts
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Posted : Sep 29, 2010 16:31
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On 2010-09-29 16:05, Dogon wrote:
but now with 100s of labels coming up everyday...... we cant box the music into these label style music.... of course there are some sticking to the roots!
The important ones, are the ones who carry their own style/signature sound. When I say Nano (ok leave Protoculture's LP out), you know the sound I mean. When I say Parvati, you know what I mean, when I say 3D Visio, or Suntrip, you know what I mean...and so forth.
Whether I like their sound or not, these are a few labels who have their own signature sound, hence, referencing something by using their name, is a very credible way of describing the music's style.
affirmative!
We were born naked & grow up to become wicked.
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Posted : Sep 29, 2010 16:38
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To make a more clear point of my views, "darkpsy" is an "unfortunate" attempt to name the fast and noisy stuff.
But that’s exactly the thing: “darkpsy” does not mean fast and noisy stuff.
It means that to some people nowadays, but that’s not what it originally meant. Listen to “proper” darkpsy – from the inventor himself (no, I don’t want to get into patent arguments again): Parasense is pretty far from “psycore” of today, and Deja Vu Fabrique has barely anything in common with what nowadays passes for darkpsy. The word was coined to name a new (at the time) style of night music that was distinct from night full on, that’s all. Russian psytrance, if you will. Nothing to do with chainsaws and children of the corn or with noisy nuggets flying at 300 mph through a listener’s head.
The term was highjacked to represent machine-gun stuff the way the term “alternative rock” was highjacked to represent Nirvana’s copycats and the term “Tea Party” got highjacked to represent S[censored] P[censored].
The name didn’t have an unfortunate birth, like you said – it just has an unfortunate life.
Anyway, a map is not a territory. And a name is not a music track. Darkpsy of today is too wide of a variety of styles to treat it as a single genre. There is an almost-full-on variety of Tsabeat-Wizack-Mox on one end and no-longer-trance-at-all (IMO) machine-gun screeching stuff on the other end – with the whole spectrum in between.
I think it’s silly to extrapolate one’s opinion about one of the color stripes onto the whole rainbow.
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Posted : Sep 29, 2010 16:56
I am constantly surprised of how many people out there seem to Only be a fan of what they call DarkPsy or ForestPsy which for me seem to be close-minded. It is like their minds and ears are rejecting all other emotions and bass lines out there in the EPDTM (electronically psychedelic dance & travel music). There is a wide specter of the psychedelic trance effect, why not open up and realize there is fantastic music in all shapes, tempos and power. For me the term DarkPsy is connected with, or used to be... No, still is the main foundation I think. With rolling bass lines that wiggles the ass. I love the bass lines and waggling asses but it is not always enough to carry my interest, there is a universe to explore, i refuse to get stuck in a black hole.
Hm, wiggling, waggling. All kool and nice aspects of movement. And it is so true that not all DarkPsy is necessarily dark, it’s just very visual inducing and fits best in the darker hours of our .. days/imagination.
This might seem judging and blind, this comment; I think sometimes people don't necessarily love the style in it's wholeness, it often seem like it is the cool and different thing to like/dig, it is rougher, it takes some more of your brain and emotions to follow and appreciate. So many only likes this style for its cool points. I mean, what is the difference between DarkPsy gangs and Goth gangs, a lot, but still they seem close .. if you follow my judgmental thought of smile and wink.
We need music for all hours.
PS. If I where to recomend One Dark induced PsyTrance (Hopefully Psy *= Psychedelic and not Psychotic) track, I would play them;
I remember me and a friend trippin' on shrooms after a wild party on this. The first part of the track is so phat, slow, sluggish, non psychedelic just drowning and heavy. Then it just lifts, raises the bars and sparkles the stars!! What magic this journey is, what grinds it delightfully forces a pun the mouth :wub:
Oh and don't forget this classic which is sort of what DarkPsy often is about, killing the ego with dark shamanic grooves:
Oh YeAh::)
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Posted : Sep 29, 2010 17:01
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On 2010-09-29 11:47, disco hooligans wrote:
To make a more clear point of my views, "darkpsy" is an "unfortunate" attempt to name the fast and noisy stuff.
But that�s exactly the thing: �darkpsy� does not mean fast and noisy stuff.
It means that to some people nowadays,
Some? I'd say most, hence my post.
Go on youtube, or google darkpsy and see what you'll come up with. I youtubed the artists mentioned in this thread and I tells ya, most of it is stupidly fast (I consider anything above 148BPM, stupidly fast) and is noisy as hell.
http://soundcloud.com/martianarts
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Posted : Sep 30, 2010 03:41
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There is a wide specter of the psychedelic trance effect, why not open up and realize there is fantastic music in all shapes, tempos and power.
…including morning full on and darkpsy (and everything in between).
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Some? I'd say most, hence my post.
Go on youtube, or google darkpsy and see what you'll come up with. I youtubed the artists mentioned in this thread and I tells ya, most of it is stupidly fast (I consider anything above 148BPM, stupidly fast) and is noisy as hell.
But you were around when darkpsy was born. You know how “proper” darkpsy sounds. I’ve been exposed to psy trance music for less than a year – but I know that machine-gun screechy stuff was born way after Zolod’s experiments. Like I said – highjacking and misuse of the name. Kinda like calling Brighton Beach gangsters “Russian Mafia” just because they speak some twisted dialect of Russian. Don’t know if the analogy was lost on you – hopefully, not.
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But we are talking about the "scene". The "veterans" are not the scene, the young people are the ones who will carry the scene to the future, and to them, darkpsy is the fast and noisy stuff...
I know there was dark psychedelic trance and I was there when it was born, before that actually. And I was there when the term "darkpsy" and "forest" trance was used, and its all bollocks, some kids wanting to be kings of their own castles, using terms to differentiate their music from what has been done for so long, even if they have no clue its been going on for years before they discovered a 4/4 kick.
Anyhow, we are nitpicking, I don't care about the silly labeling system, youngsters pick these days.
