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consciousness
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Posted : Sep 19, 2010 06:30
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Oh yes, That Kindzadza album is phenomenal!
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consciousness
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Posted : Sep 20, 2010 05:04
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On 2010-09-17 09:10, enichkin wrote:
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a lot of artists were mentioned here. many of them produce so called "dark" music, but not all of them are psychedelic. perhaps that the matter of a taste or it depends on parameters of perception.
anyway more exapmles of tribal producers would be great to see. but from shamanic Person, not just from projects who do what ever it is and put some natural/shamanic samples in some tracks.. If you wear a t-shirt "I AM SHAMAN" that doesn't mean anything except that u wear a t-shirt. That doesn't make u shaman.
so stupid and so easy.
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Yes, many of these artists are simply not good enough to be called shamanic.
It's not always necessary but I think tribal/natural elements can be used very effectively.
If the music has a shamanic (psychedelic) effect it must have come from a shamanic mindset.
That's how we know whether the artists are "shamanic persons" or not.
You need to meditate while listening to the music to really know...
enichkin,
Most of your music is psychedelic/has shamanic effect, so keep up the good work! 
These artists have definitely made shamanic darkpsy:
The Nommos
Candy power
eniChkin
Terminator
Becoming.intense
Overdream
Already maged
oCeLoT
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enichkin
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exotic
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Posted : Sep 25, 2010 13:15
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Speaking of candy power is she/are they still making music? some of their stuff was sending!
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DJ Milosz
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 03:03
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On 2010-09-17 09:10, enichkin wrote:
(IMHO)
a lot of artists were mentioned here. many of them produce so called "dark" music, but not all of them are psychedelic. perhaps that the matter of a taste or it depends on parameters of perception.
anyway more exapmles of tribal producers would be great to see. but from shamanic Person, not just from projects who do what ever it is and put some natural/shamanic samples in some tracks.. If you wear a t-shirt "I AM SHAMAN" that doesn't mean anything except that u wear a t-shirt. That doesn't make u shaman.
so stupid and so easy.
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I am aware we might get a bit off-topic here but I would still like to take this - very accurate - post as starting point for a discussion on how to define shamanic persons or djs/live acts in today's world. The reason I would like to discuss is that I believe different people have different expectations when it comes to what a set needs so it can be considered a shamanic journey and maybe through discussing the various view points we might get closer to a common denominator for what are essential ingredients of such a set. |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 05:58
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^
That's where this thread would connect with the endless thread on Goa Gil.
Interesting topic, though. |
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Shiranui
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 07:03
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I find this is a common problem in the trance scene.
Everyone has a different idea of what is psychedelic, what is dark, what is a shaman, what is... etc, but everyone thinks that everyone else shares their idea.
What seperates humans from other animals is that we have language. Explain what you mean instead of expecting others to just know!
After long considering the definition of the word "psychedelic" -- that is, that which manifests the soul/mind, I've decided that all good music is psychedelic, including (ESPECIALLY) classical music |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 09:33
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On 2010-09-27 07:03, Shiranui wrote:
I find this is a common problem in the trance scene.
Everyone has a different idea of what is psychedelic, what is dark, what is a shaman, what is... etc, but everyone thinks that everyone else shares their idea.
What seperates humans from other animals is that we have language. Explain what you mean instead of expecting others to just know!
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We only spoke one language in the '90s...before full on and dark came along. the idea of a good party, was shared by everybody.
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exotic
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 10:08
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On 2010-09-27 03:03, DJ Milosz wrote:
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On 2010-09-17 09:10, enichkin wrote:
(IMHO)
a lot of artists were mentioned here. many of them produce so called "dark" music, but not all of them are psychedelic. perhaps that the matter of a taste or it depends on parameters of perception.
anyway more exapmles of tribal producers would be great to see. but from shamanic Person, not just from projects who do what ever it is and put some natural/shamanic samples in some tracks.. If you wear a t-shirt "I AM SHAMAN" that doesn't mean anything except that u wear a t-shirt. That doesn't make u shaman.
so stupid and so easy.
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I am aware we might get a bit off-topic here but I would still like to take this - very accurate - post as starting point for a discussion on how to define shamanic persons or djs/live acts in today's world. The reason I would like to discuss is that I believe different people have different expectations when it comes to what a set needs so it can be considered a shamanic journey and maybe through discussing the various view points we might get closer to a common denominator for what are essential ingredients of such a set.
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Different people have different expectations - this is exactly why music will not have a common denominator and no matter how expert anybody is in his/her analysis of what that the definition of shamanic is , there will still be loopholes or bits that will have to addressed in so far as the music or the explanation goes.
If one has a particular perception/definition of what shamanic is that itself is a starting point for limiting yourself to a particular subset/viewpoint standard from which to judge , and you will only see everything else that falls within that purview from the limitations that you are setting yourself.
All the people who have some limiting bias as to what psytrance is, or can be, are really only limiting themselves. If it had been up to people like you psytrance wouldn't even exist because you would have been too afraid to move out of your little bubble and experiment with different sounds from different sources. The part of psytrance that refuses to reference outside of it's own previously established style will stagnate and die. The part that is willing to ignore boundaries will continue to evolve and will survive. That is not to say that the older sounds and formulas must die, but only that new things must be introduced and accepted in order for this music to evolve and thus continue to thrive. I think it is really in fashion to say that only shamanic music can be psychedelic and the rest is just neurocoredarkpsybomboombasscheezycrap.
Music is music. Sometimes it moves us and sometimes it doesn't achieve that. So music isn't all equal. However the illusionary boundaries that many people set up in their minds prevents them from enjoying some music that otherwise they would enjoy very much.
So it would be better to be open to various interpretations of what would encompass shamanic/psychedelic instead of trying to pigeonhole & define a highest common denominator of what it is in order to judge whatever might be construed as shamanic and there is a very high likelihood that very same thing you are comparing to your standards is probably more shamanic than your own interpretation of it. That is the beauty of this music and let there never be any any set specifications for it.
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daark
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 11:22
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On 2010-09-17 09:10, enichkin wrote:
(IMHO)
a lot of artists were mentioned here. many of them produce so called "dark" music, but not all of them are psychedelic. perhaps that the matter of a taste or it depends on parameters of perception.
anyway more exapmles of tribal producers would be great to see. but from shamanic Person, not just from projects who do what ever it is and put some natural/shamanic samples in some tracks.. If you wear a t-shirt "I AM SHAMAN" that doesn't mean anything except that u wear a t-shirt. That doesn't make u shaman.
so stupid and so easy.
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I imagine a classic shaman with more holes than teeth with sage sitting producing rave music on laptop ...lol
psytrance is just music people
just a soundtrack to the dancefloor.
not different from dnb or house or ethnic music. just music to dance to...
nothing to do with magic, doesn't matter how much chanting and shaker samples you put and doesn't matter how many different trips u've been through or the lenght of your beard or dreads or the persons spirituality or beliefs. 
"dark","shamanic","psychedelic","techno","cool" etc...that is just a fake image or pose
sorry, but santa is not real. grow up.
if you want shamanic music buy yourself a cd of recorded natives from national geografic records.
sorry for repeating...
now to topic
electrypnose really stands out and penta is nice, cpc is unique a lot of people at their own time
http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers
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enichkin
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 14:00
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On 2010-09-27 11:22, daark wrote:
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On 2010-09-17 09:10, enichkin wrote:
(IMHO)
a lot of artists were mentioned here. many of them produce so called "dark" music, but not all of them are psychedelic. perhaps that the matter of a taste or it depends on parameters of perception.
anyway more exapmles of tribal producers would be great to see. but from shamanic Person, not just from projects who do what ever it is and put some natural/shamanic samples in some tracks.. If you wear a t-shirt "I AM SHAMAN" that doesn't mean anything except that u wear a t-shirt. That doesn't make u shaman.
so stupid and so easy.
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I imagine a classic shaman with more holes than teeth with sage sitting producing rave music on laptop ...lol
psytrance is just music people
just a soundtrack to the dancefloor.
not different from dnb or house or ethnic music. just music to dance to...
nothing to do with magic, doesn't matter how much chanting and shaker samples you put and doesn't matter how many different trips u've been through or the lenght of your beard or dreads or the persons spirituality or beliefs.
"dark","shamanic","psychedelic","techno","cool" etc...that is just a fake image or pose
sorry, but santa is not real. grow up.
if you want shamanic music buy yourself a cd of recorded natives from national geografic records.
sorry for repeating...
now to topic
electrypnose really stands out and penta is nice, cpc is unique a lot of people at their own time
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for some of us words are nothing more than words. for others symbolic systems are systems of transfering the energy and there's nothing else but energy. some may think of themselves as of animals, some may think that we are aliens. Santa is a myth, fuck is true action. U may leave magic world and enter another fuck-you-all-in-all-ways reality.
what u believe is true. doesn't matter what do u beleive in. everything is equal possible. choiñe is yours.
ps i feel stupid when situation makes me say things like 'everything is your creation' as this fact is obvious to me.
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daark
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 16:51
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On 2010-09-27 14:00, enichkin wrote:
'everything is your creation'
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right...if i were mrs. goddess of creation maybe.and what you mean is obvious.
if you justify sick people with sirious problems that think they are aliens or animals or some other nonsense. i totaly understand mate
but if people say you are a shaman well... you know...do you really think you are a shaman?do you take it sirious?
http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 18:14
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On 2010-09-27 09:33, disco hooligans wrote:
We only spoke one language in the '90s...before full on and dark came along. the idea of a good party, was shared by everybody.
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Right.
That’s when we made a bunch of adobe bricks and decided to build a huge tower extending to heaven.
Are you sure you got the facts right? Maybe we spoke the same language in the ‘70s, until polyester shirts and platform shoes went out of fashion and house and techno came along, which proceeded to give birth to trance, which further mutated into Goa. Or could it be that we spoke the same language about 10,000 BC? Speaking of shamans, by the way… 
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 18:24
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On 2010-09-27 16:51, daark wrote:
if you justify sick people with serious problems that think they are aliens or animals or some other nonsense. i totally understand mate
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What is sick about it? We are animals, that’s just a pure scientific fact. And it’s quite possible that we are aliens too (I’ll list hints to that, if you’re interested).
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but if people say you are a shaman well... you know...do you really think you are a shaman? do you take it serious?
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A shaman is just a helper, a guide on a spiritual journey. Like a good psychologist lets you solve your own issues by asking right questions in a thoughtfully set up office – shaman does the exact same thing. The only difference is that the questions are asked in the language of music (or even just rhythm) and the office setup is (often) replaced by a nature setting. If somebody uses Enichkin’s music to get a better insight into himself or to resolve some psychological issues – why wouldn’t he consider Enichkin a shaman? And why wouldn’t Enichkin consider his role seriously?
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rich
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Posted : Sep 27, 2010 22:09
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As soon as they're referred to as 'dark psy artists', for me they fade out, not stand out.
Keep it psychedelic and it's anything and everything.
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