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delight


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Posted : Apr 16, 2005 00:18
Hello, and welcome to the topic (ana3imandros).

If you re recalling the old feeling is a pseudoaesthisis (a fake feeling, illusion). Old times can't come back, memories do exist. It isn't possible to replace old feelings. Memories are used as meter to compare the new experiences. Should we find new experiences that are good for us, we keep them, and the new becomes old, a memory.

About the junkies, they are people that need help. I'm not the one to help them. I'm just advising them. And maybe this is the way I help them.

As someone once said: An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind Mahatma Ghandi
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IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Apr 26, 2005 16:26
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If you re recalling the old feeling is a pseudoaesthisis (a fake feeling, illusion). Old times can't come back, memories do exist. It isn't possible to replace old feelings. Memories are used as meter to compare the new experiences. Should we find new experiences that are good for us, we keep them, and the new becomes old, a memory.



I didnt say that memories doesnt exist.
The exist with a chemical/neural way.
I am talkin about plain Science ,like Pavlof's well known expirements which are improoved very much by these days
U know,cut Headz plugged into some voltage wile the subject is shown picture etc.
delight


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Posted : Apr 27, 2005 20:19
Listen, I'm not trying to prove anything here.

Biomolecular science, is not an area to be covered in this topic. Unless someone has got knowledge of biology, I don’t believe that it is necessary that we concluding on electrochemical reactions, concerning the human body.

Furthermore, Pavlov's experiments had to do with animals, so there is a big difference between animals and humans. The neural structure of a human body, is way too different, from that of a cat's or a dog's. So, commenting on experimental results, without having knowledge of neurobiology, will lead us nowhere than having the illusion, that we have reached a breakthrough discovery.

Anyway, I believe that there is space in the forum for similar discussions. So I would rather stop here, and give people a chance to share their opinions.
          To heal a wound, you have to use an antiseptic.

To find an anticeptic, you have to find what caused it
other_reality
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Posted : Apr 27, 2005 23:08
Delight, it's nice to put subjects like that on an open discussion forum. I think that this isn't the place though. Anyway, I wanted to say that science doesn't apply in such questions truly. What are memories, where are they stored...I mean, science observes the body, it never really observed the human (or animal...) soul. The human mind is still under observation, but actually, only a few of it's "secrets" have been revealed by science. It sure helps for people suffering from mind illnesses, like schizophrenia and the likes, but our perception, our "whole" if you like, is not limited to the structure of our brain. Some claim that what we call soul, is located in the brain somewhere, but claiming things like that requires some heavy proof. And how can you prove love ? How can you prove the feeling of being surrounded by God ? How can you prove how someone acquires a "cosmic consiousness", even for a short time ? How can you really tell, what's real or what's "fake", a mind trick, an illusion ? The return to the everlasting research of the microcosm, will only hold humans back. Expansion is the key, and one can expand his/her self with his soul. Tzzt! I got away again...Whatever!           Bring yourselves into the light

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delight


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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 01:42
Hey, cool approach other reality.

As ancient Greeks used to say: "A mind healthy, A body healthy"

I was also having similar thoughts about the microcosm. What microcosm really is? To me it is a miniaturization of the macrocosm.

Listen to what I came up the other day: Microcosm is the group of subatomic elements, electrons, neutrons etc. Macrocosm is the group of far away planets, stars, galaxies.

Imagine if you had the chance to travel far away, to the stars. What would then macrocosm be? Microcosm.

Aaaaight!!           To heal a wound, you have to use an antiseptic.

To find an anticeptic, you have to find what caused it
other_reality
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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 16:51
Could be true ! Some cosmic laws, could apply both to the micro and macrocosm. The only difference is, that, while science has explored much of the microcosm, only a very very small fraction of the macrocosm has been explored. Not to mention the possibility of other dimensions existence. Then what ? Things can become, and will I guess, very complicated ! So, our best bet is staying right here with what we are, and try to become the best of what we can be. Our own existence, is our own connection between the micro and the macrocosm. We belong in both, after all...           Bring yourselves into the light

www.youtube.com/otherreality
delight


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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 23:44
Respect           To heal a wound, you have to use an antiseptic.

To find an anticeptic, you have to find what caused it
tim@motion


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Posted : Apr 29, 2005 19:59
darkness is the first step to bring ourselves in to the light
I don't feel comfortable with darkness... i have to step fast forward, i guess.           don't fuck with me
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IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : May 2, 2005 00:45
There is plenty of medical research nowdays,
the point is that noone gets access to it.


JaLi


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Posted : May 2, 2005 17:21
I wonder why my friend...           Reasons to be cheerful are 3..!
XrTC


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Posted : May 3, 2005 03:51
i once read somewhere that there are proofs that the dimensions are more than the 4 we are aware of. it has to do with the Theory of Superstrings (funny name ), if you search a bit you will find more info.

for me the question remains: how is it possible that something which is material (e.g. brain, which is ultimately made of molecules and atoms) can create something which is immaterial (thought, for example)? there must be a connection, but what's that? great mysteries a human brain has.....

the most funny thing is that we try to understand our brains using (guess what) our brains! i mean, it's like a loop... information is coming out of 'something' and then we must use the same 'something' in order to interpret this information. so i am getting the feeling that we will never fully understand and/or explore the mysteries of our brain... it's a dark place in there           .
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Matutero

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Posted : May 3, 2005 10:21
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On 2005-05-03 03:51, XrTC wrote:
i once read somewhere that there are proofs that the dimensions are more than the 4 we are aware of. it has to do with the Theory of Superstrings (funny name ), if you search a bit you will find more info.

for me the question remains: how is it possible that something which is material (e.g. brain, which is ultimately made of molecules and atoms) can create something which is immaterial (thought, for example)? there must be a connection, but what's that? great mysteries a human brain has.....

the most funny thing is that we try to understand our brains using (guess what) our brains! i mean, it's like a loop... information is coming out of 'something' and then we must use the same 'something' in order to interpret this information. so i am getting the feeling that we will never fully understand and/or explore the mysteries of our brain... it's a dark place in there




i agree with your opinion!..!

boom&peace
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LNE78poi


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Posted : May 3, 2005 16:45
Hi ya all.
First comes the inner trip, then the outter. Creating art involves a "dive" into our subconscious ("it" said Freud), and u can never know the pictures and emotions that shall be revealed to you. Darkness is one part of it, the manifestation of our inner subconsious fears.
I believe that artists that cannot escape that and move further, produce nice things but not for long, and most of it doesn't really make sense to anyone else apart of the artist itself and several people who happened to have the same images hidden in their minds. Since they fail to trip into their spirit ("hyper-ego" said Freud) their art will not have any deeper, clear-to-all meaning, let's face it.
As a proffessional of molecular biology and biomedical science I know for a fact that science knows almost nothing about brain functions. Ana3imandros, I assure u that even if you got hold of these medical journals still you would be very dissapointed by the vagueness of the results. No scientist nowdays dares to claim that he/she can find true connections between feelings, thoughts and brain activities. It's a major risk for their integrity as scientists. Look what a professional says: "the theory that the conventional subdivisions of the mind, such as emotion or cognition, reflect natural subdivisions of brain function is largely false; and the main scientific challenge confronting neuroscience is not explaining the mind but rather achieving an understanding of how neural activity generates behavior" (VANDERWOLF, C.H. Brain, behavior, and mind: what do we know and what can we know? NEUROSCI BIOBEHAV REV 22(2) 125–142, 1998). What he said is, that the only thing neuroscience can actually do is measure bodily functions and reactions, not explain the mind or its connection to the brain.
Also, the amounts of money a medical company would made from such a research is huge. I believe if they could, they would have done it by now. But it seems that themselves the "we-know-everything" scientists can see clearly that such a research is beyond their abilities, so they prefer to avoid the matter than actually try to give an answer.
I don't believe everything scientists say. They fail to recognize even the existence of a fact that they cannot explain. "What I can't explain, doesn't exist". Fairly narrow-minded, don't u think?
Forget not that science is actually moderated by multinational companies. They finance the reasearch, they are the ones to chose what it is going to be. They surely don't want u to believe in anything else than what they advocate, that's against consumerism. So we will all be proven wrong if it has to be. My opinion: we should get over the idea of "super science" that explains all. It's our century's bigger illusion, it's just doesn't exist.           I'm glad mushrooms are illegal.Once I took,you know what happened?I laid in a field of green grass for 4 hours, going, 'My God, I love everything.' This is a hazard to our country, how are we going to sell weapons if we realize we are all one?" Bill Hicks
other_reality
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Posted : May 4, 2005 16:47
Hey LNE78poi (?), I'm so happy that you as a scientist yourself, provokes people to get over the "science above everything" theorem. So, do you believe that, at any given point in the future, answers will appear ? Or do you think that, our inner (or possibly outer) self, will never be accurately "mapped" ?           Bring yourselves into the light

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Posted : May 4, 2005 17:02
i really dont believe that anything can be accurately "mapped" ...every picture, every image, every experience stimulates a new neuron reaction...this can never be mapped or monitored or foreseen. we will never know everything, and narrow minded ppl will always believe that what we dont know simply doesnt exist...atleast we have made some progress...i mean in the middle ages they burned ppl for having grounbreaking ideas ...now they simply tend to put a "not acceptable" tag on them :s           ...::: If video games had influenced us, then the Pacman generation would be running around in dark rooms, eating pills and listening to repetitive music :::...
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