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Dark Trance or Dark Sequenced Sounds?

BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Aug 27, 2004 02:42
people like Evil Doctor make me want to quit the scene all togther... I would rather not have my name tarnished by associating with this kind of terrible energy....

sneer and cheer if you want..but I'm coming closer and closer...

mubali
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Posted : Aug 27, 2004 03:35
Back to the topic that was at hand. Dark Trance that isn't all just squelchy noises.... I recently saw Dark Nebula play a lot of his new material and I can honestly say as a dark psy artist, that his newer sound is as close to what you are looking for as it is currently. Other suggestions would be the South African "supergroup" Twisted System. They are nightime melodic. And despite the stale debate of dark vs. light take 124, the two musics can indeed coexist at one event without the dark fans sacrificing the light fans to their psychedelic god. (sorry, I just had to) People make music for all times of day and night, it's just people who are putting the events together that sometimes forget about that factor. I personally wouldn't really wanna hear Horror Place at Noon on a Sunday, but I wouldn't want to hear Son Kite at 2 am either. And as for the energy of darker nightime music, I don't see anything negative happening as a result of the music. The only thing I ever see that is a direct result of really dark music is all the Astrix/Alien Project/GMS fan running from the dancefloor. I find this incredibly funny because I do the same when the morning full on dj's come on late at night. It's all honestly a matter of personal preference and I was always under the impression that the psychedelic trance scene was about togetherness despite differences. I have seen more people here especially quibble over some of the most piddly of arguments. Sure dark psytrance is music, it's just as much of music as the light stuff, or progressive, or two dogs farting into a microphone! The fact of the matter is:

People like dark music, people like light music, and the scene is honestly too small to be subdivided by someone's interpertation of how music is supposed to sound. No matter what music is made, there will be people that support it and people that condemn it. But take the music away and you have people that end up bored and unhappy.

Now on a personal note, I am a dark psy advocate (and artist), but I have a firm respect for morning stuff for what it can do at the right times of the day or night. I feel that each style does have it's place and you as a dancer can choose what style moves you the most.... Don't like the dark stuff? Go to sleep for a bit and wake up for sunrise refreshed and energized. Don't like the fluff?? Once sunrise hits, retire to your tent for a morning siesta or find some cool people to relax with in the morning... Just please don't consider any music not music just because you don't like it.           An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
volvox box
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Posted : Aug 27, 2004 03:55
Im hardly waiting for the V/A "Movie sampling" when is it out?
Evil Doctor Inc
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Posted : Aug 27, 2004 14:35
oH Oh What abuse
for a sane post

Ganja Gil dont you make chillout parties???

Brett your always quick to insult the Doctor
infact
Grapes of Wrath
Insane behaviour and others i have named earlier are not in anyway related to Death Metal
it is unfortunate
you dont know this.

Goannes


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Posted : Aug 27, 2004 15:27
Hey there!

Maybe 'Prosper' (Inplugged cd) is what you are looking for,
pretty dark and pretty melodic
IMO though

btw: I'm not used to this kind of hostile conversations on isratrance forum....
Keep it pure.

seeyA!
          
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Aug 27, 2004 15:53
Quote:

On 2004-08-27 03:35, mubali wrote:
...it's just people who are putting the events together that sometimes forget about that factor.



that´s the problem of commercial events, because in the underground scene the organisers know a lot about how to build up a party line-up which makes sense.
but the problem is that underground promoters
usually are totally weird and freaky people and know nothing about the other aspects of organising (especially all that has to do with the "normal world" - i.e. registration, planing etc.)


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On 2004-08-27 03:35, mubali wrote:
The only thing I ever see that is a direct result of really dark music is all the Astrix/Alien Project/GMS fan running from the dancefloor.





i´m sure that this is the reason behind the "darkpsy/ fluffy conflict".
it is much more of a conflict between people/ styles, not between different music tastes.
FREAKZ vs POPPERS.
hope that the freaks will win, cause those assshaking suckers don´t belong to a psychedelic scene at all!!!
they belong to pop music, clubs, MTV etc.
we must scare away those people, otherwise this wonderful movement will be another shitty fetishlike superficial baby of the industry.
to be honest, i love everything that is psychedelic to the bone, no matter if it´s light or dark stuff - BUT IT HAS TO BE PSY!!!
and yes, i for my part do everything (consciously exagerating) with HORROR MUSIC to see those boring people "running from the dancefloor"


Quote:

On 2004-08-27 03:35, mubali wrote:
I was always under the impression that the psychedelic trance scene was about togetherness despite differences.



well, you´re soo right mate, but i´ll not agree if this leads to the definite SELL OUT of goa.

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On 2004-08-27 03:35, mubali wrote:
People like dark music, people like light music, and the scene is honestly too small to be subdivided by someone's interpertation of how music is supposed to sound.



also agree on that. but we don´t have to rely on nonpsy people, do we?
we should better put psy styles together to not have to subdivide the scene and GET RID OF POPPERS at the same time


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On 2004-08-27 03:35, mubali wrote:
.... Don't like the dark stuff? Go to sleep for a bit and wake up for sunrise refreshed and energized. Don't like the fluff?? Once sunrise hits, retire to your tent for a morning siesta or find some cool people to relax with in the morning... Just please don't consider any music not music just because you don't like it.




this is it!
PS: like your "still awakening" track pretty much
EYB
Noized

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Posted : Aug 27, 2004 16:02
Quote:

On 2004-08-27 15:53, deejayridoo wrote:

Quote:

On 2004-08-27 03:35, mubali wrote:
The only thing I ever see that is a direct result of really dark music is all the Astrix/Alien Project/GMS fan running from the dancefloor.





i´m sure that this is the reason behind the "darkpsy/ fluffy conflict".
it is much more of a conflict between people/ styles, not between different music tastes.
FREAKZ vs POPPERS.
hope that the freaks will win, cause those assshaking suckers don´t belong to a psychedelic scene at all!!!
they belong to pop music, clubs, MTV etc.
we must scare away those people, otherwise this wonderful movement will be another shitty fetishlike superficial baby of the industry.



What a bullshit!

I am not a freak, if you wanna call u a freak ok, but am a normal person who like psy music.
I like dark stuff but i also like to listen somethink light/fluffy so i am not a popper nor a freak.

This sounds very narrow minded to me, almost abit fashistic.            Signature
deejayridoo
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Posted : Aug 27, 2004 16:22
oh EYB, please read the whole argumentation.
i´m sure you would agree that the goa movement is something elese than just a fashion, wouldn´t you?!

i have nothing against these people who belong otherwhere, i respect them as much as i respect everything. the thing is that in the last couple of months/ years the magic of psychedelia got weak beacause of too many people coming to goa parties who are not interested in the central objectives of a psychedelic culture.
even worse-they criticize it a lot and bring an agressive and unfriendly vibe with them.

all i say is that it is good to defend the culture against "fetishisation", cause if we accept everything it grows and grows and grows and more and more money gets around and more and more businessmen come to make much profit and THE SPIRIT GETS TOTALLY LOST.

connsidering the expression "freak" we shouldn´t argue. i´m just talking about crazy, funny, nonconformist people, NOT STUPID "SO CALLED PUNKS/ HIPPIES etc." who are as conformist as poppers in the end.
deejayridoo
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Posted : Aug 27, 2004 16:32
oh, and EYB, i´m a bit sad that you attack me, cause i always appreciate a lot what you say in your posts!

so please, peace my friend!

PS: i´m not a freak as well. only in my head an radical anti conformist
EYB
Noized

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Posted : Aug 27, 2004 17:17
Don't feel attack deejayridoo, sorry if i hurt you.

I understand know what u mean. It is only that there are a lot of people thinking that real psyfans are freaks and think we are crazy, so better we don't call us freaks, we are normal people who like psytrance and like living in peaceful.

There are a lot of people who are also like to live peaceful but don't like psytrance so much thats ok.
But you are right there are also a lot of people who care a shit of what is peaceful or nice or living in way connected to nature, they are living in an egoistic way that is far to much concentrated on their on pleasure and joy (this bring us buisness and the call of the drug parties).

But maybe we can try to change their minds, so more people learn to live the way of goa/psytrance, not only raving and druging, so they start to feel the vibe and the real spirits of this lifestyle.

peace to you and all the other psytrancers out there            Signature
Stash
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Posted : Aug 27, 2004 20:00
Quote:

On 2004-08-27 02:42, BrettFromTibet wrote:
people like Evil Doctor make me want to quit the scene all togther... I would rather not have my name tarnished by associating with this kind of terrible energy....




TERRIBLE ENERGY ??????????????
if u call dark psy terrible enrgy u must be really out of ure mind..........infact is full of fucking energy!!!!!!! and freaking is capable of really making u flip out in a way which no other psytrance genre can
i form a much deeper connection to such music on the dancefloor and dance even harder than i wud to morning stuff


u said its not psychedelic!!!!!!

dude wtf??????
its got 10000 x more twisted and psychedelic sounds then any other psy trance genre.....for my taste its the most psychedelic

and if u wanna quit the scene you are more than welcome !!!!
that some music that u dont like is reason enuf for u to quit the scne...
just shows how much u like psytrance


bom!!!

          At the end there is a DOOR & waiting for you on the other side of that door is either HEAVEN or HELL
Kemic-Al
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Posted : Aug 28, 2004 11:15
Ganja Gil the closest to your likings should be Planetary Exodus from Fragile Planet Rec. there are some killer tunes which you will find in here

http://www.beatspace.com/dettagli/dettaglio.asp?id=1177

BUT still YOU might want to listen to eat with the lights on !!!

TERRIBLE ENERGY ?????????????? LOL LOL LOL

you shure haven't been to a real psychecdelic party yet !!!!

And well psychedlic is expressed by all means differently by all types of creations, as we don't all think a like, take for instance ART Painting everyone has a different view so if you get 10 artists to paint a sunset they will all be expressed differently NO !!!??? .....So you are getting my drift yeah ??!!
Now by all means psychedelic when it all started it wasn't made of showing OFF the most clever musicians, it was simply made by travelers hippies, and made by chopping off bits of tracks,beats, etc from different generes of music put together to create the most crazy tunes for the dance floor !!! for shure it was'nt to show OFF who is the best theorotical musician in Goa !!! IT was simply made for FUN..... and again it was of more of who will makes the most crazy track then who is gonna make the most difficult complicated scales, but then yes some crazy melodies were added to tracks cause back then was the craziest pattern BUT EVOLUTION has thought us that there is more crazyness then adding simply arrppegios to the tunes and again going back to ( Making the crazyest Tune ) a lot of Sequenced Sounds seems to be doing the trick quite WELL more then other (maybe thats WHY most melodic and others are called FLUFFY,music for farries and all sorts simply cause it does NOT REACH the crazyest formula of psychedelics tracks as they should BE ), So again I will say it's all about FUN ,CRAZINESS, EVOLUTION & PSYCHEDELIA and should mention also PRODUCING and who makes the crazyest track, not how many years an artist has been studying in universaty theory of music, not to say that as a chilled i was forced to study a little music(not in universaty off coarse), but shure it's not the reason why a an old psycho like me is producing Psychedelics todaY !!!!

So I hope that this will help you going back to the ROOTS for a while not to hang around there in a time WARP but simply to understand EVOLUTION !!!!

EVOLUTION..... that is why psy trance is where it is TODAY !!!!

D.M.T
Dark Mad & Twisted


SIMPLY FOR THE BRAVE HEARTED others might find it offencive if so please step off the DANCE FLOORS !!!
Reg. LOL

Peace with ALL
BoOM ShAnKaR

deejayridoo
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Posted : Aug 28, 2004 17:35
Stashbag and Kemic-al,
i´m with you!
nothing more energetic an psychoactive than darkpsy.
but i think that it is important also to mix it with some very positive energy music (oldschool goa/ music with lots of emotions) because the fantastic twisted crazyness is pretty intellectual/ music 4 the head.
we need dark and light PSYCHEDELIA.
soem gow/ kin dza dza/ psykovsky/ parasense/ para halu
but also some good old astral projection, electron wave/ tim schuldt/ dimension 5 etc.
Evil Doctor Inc
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Posted : Aug 29, 2004 17:58
The History of music

view it in levels

it could be from Enrique Eglesias
which gives take you through emotions

to R and B and Rap
whatever

all music makes you dance

Trance music is the highest level of music

and in trance there are levels

Intelligent trance (or as you like to call it dark)
is music made over a period of time
is made with passion
emotion

its made by people who actually have something to say
besides lay on a beach with the ladies...

The artists that make this intelligent music are saints on a path, knowing that there is not so much money in it, they tread forward into the night.

Do we abuse them for their accomplishments
These are musicians on the highest levels of sound!!

Are we repeating the 2000 year old saga again??

Learn from the past
Please

Understand that when you need a higher voyage, the tickets are easier to get then you think.

Boom
HandA
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Posted : Aug 29, 2004 18:34
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On 2004-08-29 17:58, Evil Doctor Inc wrote:

Trance music is the highest level of music


its made by people who actually have something to say
besides lay on a beach with the ladies...




First I don't agree that trance is the highest level of music. It depend on who's ears you listen with. Music is about taste and it's a bit naive and maybe even a bit arrogant (no offense) to say that trance is superiour to other music.

Second I haven't seen many artist or tracks that had anything to say beside the endless clichées like Aliens, drugs and movie sample use. To say something you need a message be it Political, philosphical, enviromental ect. - Alien small talk ,drug talk and phrases from Hollowood movies is not really to say something
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