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Dark Psytrance production tips??
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-=Mandari=-
Mandari
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Posted : Jun 9, 2010 16:51
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On 2010-06-09 13:54, snakeo09 wrote:
i wasnt trying to start this whole argument or whatever about genres, i just wrote dark psy coz i liked the way it sounded, thats all  anyways ill take up ur advice on learning fm synthesis mandari and to the others that posted il take all ur advices into consideration.
Lets just not get heated up on this genre topic
Boom!
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naahh, sorry i know wasnt your intention. and at least i dont like how these discussions evolve mostly. anyways i can hardly shut up 
so back to your question, yesss if you go for this kindzadza style thingy you need lots of fm stuff. i really recommend this "hands on synthsound" thingy i.e., it costs few bucks, maybe you´ll find  it´s really simple and easy to understand, startin from scratch. soo dunno, nice one, anyways you´l find free stuff for sure on youtube etc.
the wavtabl way is something i like for gettin really weired athmospheres by scannin weired modulated wavtables. you add pulsemodulation on it and send the amount to your modwheel, scan and have fun apply some fm from another osc to add metallic feeling for the hitec feel.
also feel free to try around with a stepseq. or step lfo modulating the pitch or stuff from a nice metallic sound you maybe want to create that way mentioned above. or simply create easy fm patch and modulate the source´s pitch. adjust lfo/step speed maybe modulate speed by mod/pitchwheel and go crazy doOUud
fm is just a source modulatin a carrier in its frequency. jsut to give a lil start. so osc2 maybe is modulatin osc one. what that sounds like you should easily get when you open zebra i.e., osc module on first track (in zebra,one of the four) you maybe like to choose a sine wav, easier to understand and hear whats happening, borin like hell so far, another osc on different track, now choose the fm osc, rightclick it and choose the other osc´s track as input. down under the four tracks each one got a gain knob, shut the one down from the source (osc1). now go ahead to the fm osc and hit a key on your keys while increasing the fm amount. what this does is simply addin the frequency of the source to modulate the frequency of the carrier. sounds weired, pretty easy in fact, you will understand i guess.
i cant find my tutorial here or on triplag anymore, also google did not help really. it was something like "kindzadza style leadsound in vanguard" or similiar, hardly remember. if you reallly cant get a way how to get there and it is appreciated i wont mind writin it again. it´s pretty simple in it´s basic and vanguard is a good synth, pretty easy and easy to achieve that kind of sound...
cheers, excuse the novel
stephan
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geekhorde
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Posted : Jun 10, 2010 03:11
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wait, like what kind of wavetable synth do you recommend for this technique? |
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snakeo09
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Posted : Jun 10, 2010 10:56
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On 2010-06-09 16:51, -=Mandari=- wrote:
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On 2010-06-09 13:54, snakeo09 wrote:
i wasnt trying to start this whole argument or whatever about genres, i just wrote dark psy coz i liked the way it sounded, thats all anyways ill take up ur advice on learning fm synthesis mandari and to the others that posted il take all ur advices into consideration.
Lets just not get heated up on this genre topic
Boom!
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naahh, sorry i know wasnt your intention. and at least i dont like how these discussions evolve mostly. anyways i can hardly shut up
so back to your question, yesss if you go for this kindzadza style thingy you need lots of fm stuff. i really recommend this "hands on synthsound" thingy i.e., it costs few bucks, maybe you´ll find it´s really simple and easy to understand, startin from scratch. soo dunno, nice one, anyways you´l find free stuff for sure on youtube etc.
the wavtabl way is something i like for gettin really weired athmospheres by scannin weired modulated wavtables. you add pulsemodulation on it and send the amount to your modwheel, scan and have fun apply some fm from another osc to add metallic feeling for the hitec feel.
also feel free to try around with a stepseq. or step lfo modulating the pitch or stuff from a nice metallic sound you maybe want to create that way mentioned above. or simply create easy fm patch and modulate the source´s pitch. adjust lfo/step speed maybe modulate speed by mod/pitchwheel and go crazy doOUud
fm is just a source modulatin a carrier in its frequency. jsut to give a lil start. so osc2 maybe is modulatin osc one. what that sounds like you should easily get when you open zebra i.e., osc module on first track (in zebra,one of the four) you maybe like to choose a sine wav, easier to understand and hear whats happening, borin like hell so far, another osc on different track, now choose the fm osc, rightclick it and choose the other osc´s track as input. down under the four tracks each one got a gain knob, shut the one down from the source (osc1). now go ahead to the fm osc and hit a key on your keys while increasing the fm amount. what this does is simply addin the frequency of the source to modulate the frequency of the carrier. sounds weired, pretty easy in fact, you will understand i guess.
i cant find my tutorial here or on triplag anymore, also google did not help really. it was something like "kindzadza style leadsound in vanguard" or similiar, hardly remember. if you reallly cant get a way how to get there and it is appreciated i wont mind writin it again. it´s pretty simple in it´s basic and vanguard is a good synth, pretty easy and easy to achieve that kind of sound...
cheers, excuse the novel
stephan
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haha dont worry about it man, to tell u the truth i enjoy reading debates on stuff like this anyways i tried searching for your post on kindzadza style, but no luck :S....so umm like u said if u dont mind could u write another one of the tutorials and post here for me if its not too much trouble....coz i was readong alot on fm modulation the other day and still no luck....ill try ur suggestion now, but i doubt ill get it...thanks again  |
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Jun 10, 2010 11:45
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On 2010-06-10 03:11, geekhorde wrote:
wait, like what kind of wavetable synth do you recommend for this technique?
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well, i´d recommend a waldorf blofeld or even a clavia nordwave for that job but never mind, any synth offering wavtabl stuff is usually able to scan em by pwm.
i like vember audio surge for doin this virtually. pretty versatile synth, great sound and heaps of possibilities. looking shit first, but same like zebra, when u got it you´ll love it.
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Jun 10, 2010 11:57
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haha dont worry about it man, to tell u the truth i enjoy reading debates on stuff like this anyways i tried searching for your post on kindzadza style, but no luck :S....so umm like u said if u dont mind could u write another one of the tutorials and post here for me if its not too much trouble....coz i was readong alot on fm modulation the other day and still no luck....ill try ur suggestion now, but i doubt ill get it...thanks again
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yepp had no luck too. dunno what happened. also wrote a tutorial for simple bass patch in zebra and this also disappeared from triplag forum. some more threads seemed to disappear.
anyways, i´ll try now some quick start for you to get similiar an pretty easy way. how you envolve the sound is up to you.
back soon with a lil mov clip, watch out, cheers
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geekhorde
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Posted : Jun 11, 2010 01:36
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Plasmorh
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Posted : Jun 11, 2010 05:08
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duuude... dont follow no pattern.. just do it, it'll come out lol |
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Plasmorh
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Posted : Jun 11, 2010 05:10
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On 2010-06-08 00:35, aciduss wrote:
150+ bpm
No melodies but speedy glitchy shit, retriggered on 16, 32, 64, 128ths. Lfo and FM sounds, also lots of screaming and obscure voices / laughs related to satanic, horror and violent situations also don't forget the breaking glass soundfx at the end of a section. Dark pads on disonant chords.
Pretty much it.
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WTF!!!! |
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Jun 11, 2010 11:11
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coOl doOd XD!!! actually saved me some time, dont wanna know how you found it XD at least i didnt, dunno why.
soooo, yeppp, thats it, for all others interested not havin a triplag account, pls this is an absolutely easy patch, very simple, sooo, just to get you kinda started. sure it´s about some more than this to get it really stunning but i guess completely ok to get an idea how to create such sounds and even more out of this technique, just experiment around....
so here we go:
ok, so äääähm. have to say kindzadza seems to be a lot fm stuff, but for learning how it works i agree vanguard to be the easiest way.
so as i mentioned go ahead in vanguard, try to get a clear (init) preset. u have to do that yourself, cause vanguard is not offering this itself. all settings should be neutral.
ok, lets have some fun. tell u this is just to give u a start
now pick up a fm waveform or one of the comb ones in osc one and set up the pitch to about 12 or 24 or 36 semitones up, whatever u like, usually the stuff is pitched pretty high. give it some more voices, 2-3 should be fine. now go ahead and put the fat button to around 60-75%, this should do the job so far.
now ur done with the waveform, looking for the movement in the sound. so..... to achieve this we take the first lfo and set it up to a hz in near audible range, so that its gonna self oscillating. i use to work with 161 bpm and put it up to around 22-44hz. play around with the pitch and pwm button, there u go. now maybe it´s time to adjust some adsr with short attack (u want the sound in your face, right?), some slight decay to your choice as it should be fast and short sound which decays pretty fast, sustain to your choice, and some slight release that the notes u will draw hit each other slightly (if u like). now u can adjust the pwm level to your choiceand play around a while until u get there where u like it
now you´re done with the basic settings of the sound. but not what u mean right?
so we have to do some more settings and go ahead to the filter section. the filter is what gives the sound its character and what u mean i guess is a notchy filter sweeping the sound u did right now on several frequencies.
so take the lp notchy one and have a listen. sounds pretty cool, give it some more crispness by adding some resonance until u like it.
cool stuff mate, ur nearly done. now as u like to have some movement on the filter go back to the lfo section and maybe take the first one u already set up and increase the cutoff button. COOOOOL STUFF
but i dont like that shit enough, so take the second one and adjust it some more slow. u want some movement and no static blahshitsoundanything. try something around 1hz or stuff and adjust the cutoff again there, decide your own if it should restart every note or not. and while you´re doin this also decide if u want the pitch also to be moved that way or go ahead and adjust another lfo for this job. whatever u like, as i told u just to give u something to think about. too easy for my taste....
now u got some kinda like kindzadza/darkpsy whatever leadsound. pretty thin for my taste and not that amazing. so .....hmmmm. what should one do now to get it some more impressive......
AHHHHHH, sure, the sound needs some room right. so just take the integrated reverb, some mix, some room, dump to taste that its gonna sizzling nice in your ears......
hmmm, ok. not that spectacular still, but already stuff one can use. ahhh sure, maybe some more room and crispness is needed to get it realloy cool... so the spread button whatever it is for (=D) does really awesome stuff on the sound if i increase it (maybe with some drive hellyeah). guess what it does, right....spreading the sound out of the middle.
have a listen.... WOOOUUUUHHH, wanna scream and shout damn holy shit thats gonna blast of my mind ...
so..... only one way to get something similiar pretty fast without the need to process the sound with any other plugin. overused one, but thats the way to go.
cheers, hope i did not forget any steps. if i did its up to u to find out the missing things.
now go ahead and apply what u learned to some better synth, think about what could be done better or which possibilities of other synths could add some more coolness to your sound and......
have fun, enjoy:
stephan
hope kinda helped some cheers
EDIT means the "digital" noise wavform is also pretty usable for this kind of sound and givin in ya face brazZ if you give it more voice, pwm change, increased fat etc.
enjoy
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snakeo09
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Posted : Jun 11, 2010 12:43
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thanks alot mandari, tutorial is very easy to follow, was able to make the sound in a few mins. and thanks geekhorde for finding the tutorial
il try tweaking around more to get my sounds ...
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smehoparanoya
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Posted : Jun 11, 2010 16:21
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all you need to do is turn off the lights |
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geekhorde
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Posted : Jun 11, 2010 16:55
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and then get two flashlights and twirl them around like glowsticks, right?
finding it was relatively easy. just looked. didn't take me more than about 15 minutes.
yeah, the whole high LFO value thing is kind of the trick to that sound, isn't it? it's hard until you have someone explain it to you, then it's easy to hear/grasp. |
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aciduss
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Posted : Jun 11, 2010 17:23
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| yeah, the whole high LFO value thing is kind of the trick to that sound, isn't it? |
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Yes, i remember that time in my life when i realized everything about the "psy sound" was about modulation (pitch, filter, pwm, etc.) |
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Jun 11, 2010 18:07
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well at least A VERY LOT about modulations
keep in mind this is very easy and a very simple way to give you a start, for sure guys like kindzadza or furious or whoever you like to name here will NOT use this simple way.
the basics are about the pitch modulation, just to give the sound its character. but usually these guys are working with layers or heavily processed stuff. with the right synth you dont need any 3rd party processing, but at the end it´s really some more to get the sound big and stunning. sooo, it´s not that simple at the end as mentioned above, but still quite simple if you understand the way it´s done....
credits to geekhorde who found it back
enjoy n have fun, cheers
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Pagan
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Posted : Jun 11, 2010 20:07
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*claps hands
well said, and thanks dude
And i'm off now, see u guys in 2 weeks
I'm on leave and heading up the coast with my gf.
I'm just glad to be away from these vuvu's
But they everywhere 
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