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Dark Psytrance production tips??
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snakeo09
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 00:08:35
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Hey guys, im new to this forum. I'm not really sure if anyone posted this topic before, but i just wanted to know if anyone posted some tips on dark psy trance music production. If not could anyone help me out by suggesting what and where to start on producing dark psy trance, mainly focusing on what vsts and effects are used typically. All your help will be greatly appreciated. I'm currently using Ableton Live if thats any help? 
oh and that electric buzzing noise mostly found in kindzadza tracks are really awesome if anyone knows how to create those sounds, i would appreciate the help  !
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aciduss
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 00:35
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150+ bpm
No melodies but speedy glitchy shit, retriggered on 16, 32, 64, 128ths. Lfo and FM sounds, also lots of screaming and obscure voices / laughs related to satanic, horror and violent situations also don't forget the breaking glass soundfx at the end of a section. Dark pads on disonant chords.
Pretty much it.
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Koozer Mox
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 03:22
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 08:50
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On 2010-06-08 00:35, aciduss wrote:
150+ bpm
No melodies but speedy glitchy shit, retriggered on 16, 32, 64, 128ths. Lfo and FM sounds, also lots of screaming and obscure voices / laughs related to satanic, horror and violent situations also don't forget the breaking glass soundfx at the end of a section. Dark pads on disonant chords.
Pretty much it.
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satanic horror situations - SILENT ENEMY is someone you remind me of....  |
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snakeo09
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 09:36
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what about bass lines? and could u guys give more details on what exactly to do? |
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Marrukka
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 13:21
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take acid and watch a horror movie 
after the movie, rebuild ur trip... |
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the fool
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 13:25
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On 2010-06-08 13:21, Marrukka wrote:
take acid and watch a horror movie
after the movie, rebuild ur trip...
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that's if you haven't gone completely insane lol |
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Kryten
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 15:19
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On 2010-06-08 13:25, the fool wrote:
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On 2010-06-08 13:21, Marrukka wrote:
take acid and watch a horror movie
after the movie, rebuild ur trip...
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that's if you haven't gone completely insane lol
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No, I think thats something you really need to be to make darkpsy...the more insanity the better...at least for me Dark sounds like that.(not meant positive here, I really really dont like Dark ) |
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the fool
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 15:23
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On 2010-06-08 15:19, Kryten wrote:
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On 2010-06-08 13:25, the fool wrote:
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On 2010-06-08 13:21, Marrukka wrote:
take acid and watch a horror movie
after the movie, rebuild ur trip...
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that's if you haven't gone completely insane lol
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No, I think thats something you really need to be to make darkpsy...the more insanity the better...at least for me Dark sounds like that.(not meant positive here, I really really dont like Dark )
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aren't we all a bit insane? |
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ZenMind
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 17:05
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Theres a good thread here called the mother of all leads, go there and you will find what your looking for, write acid lead in youtube search, write a mail to kindzadza and ask him what you want ...
TIP : for Dark genre you should first and foremost NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT STYLISTIC CRAP, psychedelic culture was built around the concept of Freedom so enjoy that and let it live in your work.
IMO good night time psytrance is easily distinguished by the presence of Emotional content a build up to a certain feeling a mysterious soup of frequencies that question the unknown, build your tracks around this issues and you will find yourself making serious music.
For typical vsts : Albino, Sylenth 1, Synth1, Vanguard, Alien303, Minimonsta, Surge, Discovery, Z3ta, Zebra and the list can go on and on and on...
For fx - theres many threads here with endless lists of fxs used by fellow producers just make a search
Have a good time producing
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aciduss
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 17:06
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There is no art in darkpsy basslines, everything sounds aggressive at high tempos.
Just KBBB with short decays for speedy bassline, of course in such high bpm there is no much time for low fqncies to happen. |
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FaceHead
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 21:16
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make psytrance listen to it with your lights off...BOOOOOOOM
check it... what i find people to think of as "dark is really just things that are audibly so complexly intertwined that it becomes beyond their ability to perceive each part or conceive of its existence. this puts them in a state of uncertainty and vulnerability and for anyone who has ever had a life crushingly intense experience you know that chaos vulnerability uncertainty and confusion are the things that become "REAL" horror. screaming during fake murder scenes is a novelty. novelties are not psychedelic. glow sticks are a novelty. they entertain only on a surface level and only for a short period of time. when you delve into the true depths of what a brain is capable of you realize that anything that was a fear in this world means nothing in comparison to what a real fear is. and besides im pretty sure darkness is one of many fears we have so its really only tapping into that one vein repeatedly to be DARK. and aside from that the fear of darkness is the fear of the unknown and the vulnerability we experience while in darkness... try going into darkness under water ooooohhhh way more disassociating and vulnerable. point is scary movies are not really scary and are really just there to tweak your brain chems most commonly for financial profit. Just like all the other stuff that we consume. tweak chems make them pay. then you tweak chems enough you get addicted to the release of them they get addicted to getting paid. yet our tolerance rises so they must develope new sneakier or more shocking ways to tweak our chems. especially over here in the U.S. our whole culture is pretty much a marketing experiment...even our government is dominated by professional manipulators that are marketing geniuses.
and also on the bpm note 150+ is a stereotype. make it however fast feels right to you pay attention to how speeding it up or slowing it down affects the mood and the pace of the song. ex. sometimes 152 will sound more energetic to me than the same song at 154.
so most of these answers are answers to the question of "what people at this point in time typically beive the genre of darkpsy to typically soundlike production tips."
ALSO while im in the rant... PEople please stop glorifying insanity. REAL insanity is one of the most difficult things to fathom and for someone to have to go through. an alien living in a society built for man where nobody wants the hassle of taking care of you and you cant take care of yourself in the way that this world requires because none of it makes sense even as a theory. Real isnanity is not a fucking joke. Infected msuhroom can go to a self created hell where they can live eternities of real insanity for their song going insane. no i really dont wish that on anyone but seriously people it may feel like insanity but the level of insanity psytrancers usually deal with are toy replicas of real insanity... and the intense psychedelic experience may seem like insanity but thats the brains best attempt to categorize something it cant beleive its experiencing...also why intense experinces can feel like death to someone who has never died.
make unfathomable music. however each person perceives it is up to them... with my own music ive heard from "it was like i was listening to a guy who sitts in his moms basement trying to think up differnt ways to kill people all the way to that was beautiful such an outpour of love and psitivity.... so was i really that different or were they using music as a personal mirror.. make music that exemplifies yourself and the things you find truely beautiful bizzarre scary etc. and let people categorize it however they want.. your fist mistake was trying to make a certain kind of music backtrack and start from scratch. this has all come from a positive and helpful place.... im sure it doesnt seem like it sometimes haha i hope this helps in some way
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Sanathana
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 22:27
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Dark psy if you call it that can be anything eerie, twisted, on a minor scale moving to major and back to minor or vice versa... deeper pads, glitchy sounds, squeaks and metallic sounds with some delays.... bassline can be the same with a variation on scales i.e major to minor or vice versa.... doesnt necessarily have to be a standard k bbb it can be simple....
above all not necessarily all dark psy if you call it that should be over a certain BPM (lets say 150+) that is only one style of night time music, other twisted, dark sounding music / psy can very well be produced at 128 - 147 BPM as well.
Some tunes if produced at the right scales with the right choice of sounds can sound really dark and could easily fall into the category of dub, downtempo, breakbeat or ambient....
Matter of choice and sound selection
There is a nice thread started in the trance section which talks about what really is dark psy?
to me my all time favs remain: Dark Soho & KoxBox - two unique styles of night time psy which are twisted / dark but at a controlled BPM....
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FaceHead
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 22:30
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sounds like you have it all figured out
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Medea
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 22:56
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