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The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 12:52
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So let me ask a question...
Did you get into Psytrance because it's fun to party outside?
Because it is good music for taking drugs?
Because it take you psiritual further and further than any church, synagogue or temple will?
I got into because I was scik of the same shit music being played back in the early 90's. I like music that challenges me. I likemusic that make go "oh wow how the fuck did they do that?" or "What the fuck were they thinking when they wrote that?"
and since about the year 2000 until 2004 there was not 1 release in this scen that mademe think that... and there are very few that do ii today... and THAT my friends, is what I think is wrong with the scene. We have become accustomed to comfortable sounds, generic music and no longer being challenged by our ears...
and you know what? when a subgenre termed "dark" psy appears, and it is damn challenging to listen to , let alone dance to... nearly every person complains, whinges or HATES it because it is different...
but I love it for this simple reason... I love it because it has been tweaked the fuck out of, it pushes my concepts of music waaaaay beyon what I thought it was, it bounces, it hits you har,d it takes you high andit pushes you low... it's better than any amusement park ride or drug I've ever taken... it is cahllening, psychedellic music. Which is what this scene it supposed to be about musically yuh?
so all in all, I don;t think we can blame any artits, or label for this (and I"m as much of a whiner as anyone, if not more  ).. but we only have ourselves to blam for letting sub standard, generic music become the focus point instead of wanting tobe challenged.
This scene has become lazy and fat, but the future is looking bright, and this is for e because of themany talented producers makin "dark" psy... bringing back the challenge and the madness to this scene.
Respect and apologies for all my past behaviours... Have a good Christmas, and be safe 
  --- Love In Light, Dance In Darkness ---
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kriz
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 13:00
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shamanizer
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 13:34
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I personally think that most of the dark psy is, how to put it, low quality mess on cd. |
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Bender B. Rodriguez
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 14:26
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dark psy is the new full on.
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Magox
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 15:45
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i have to agree......
dark psy is basically full on, but with a darker undertone.
"On the path of spirituality, one ventures to vanquish one’s own faults rather than to judge others" |
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Galaxian
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 16:13
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personally i love dark music. not darkpsy music. but dark music of any kind. because dark side of the mind has many many secrets and unknown emotions. but music called darkPSYtrance for me isnt dark at all. first of all its too fast and it sounds funny. unnecesary fast tracks for ppl on drugs. thats not cool for me im not using drugs and i feel stupid to dance at 160 bpm fast track. i dont say that there arent good artists, no, there are, but for someone which isnt prepared to explore the darkpsy scene which is huge it all sounds all the same - just as fullon. for me darkpsy releases today are bullshit. too fast, samples are usually very lame and production is very bad too
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Ruberoid
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 16:24
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There is no dark psy, there is night music. Some play it full power (full-on based, f.e Iron Madness, Azax Syndrome, Terranoise), some play deep minimal way (Ghreg on Earth, Xenomorph), there is a forest music, there is a music for deserts, but there is no Dark Psy. Dark Psy is an artist, not style
http://www.myspace.com/andreysp
HaKav HaYafe, Haro'e 59, Ramat-Gan, Israel
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a3k
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 16:37
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unfortunatly the majority of the dark psy music (or night music), except some artists and some releases, are becoming the new full on..
i 1st started to enjoy the called dark psy, because it brought a new aprouch to the music i love so much - psychedelic trance - it was kind of a scream of rebellion from some artists to change the full on and the comercial music trance was turned into.
funny, that what once was a fresh blow of music, now it is becoming the very same thing it sworn to change..we are going in circles.
nevertheless, there are still good releases and some artists still keep to push boundaries, and delivering good psychedelic music.
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goaren
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 17:27
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im sorry if you dont find any releases challenging for your since 2004... but i can assure you challenging and psychedelic music was released all that time... and if you want a mindfucking track just go take a look at trolds` time of illusion cd... esp the teasers track and wait till the fucked up fx comes swirling allover, and its 10 times more powerful of you take a puff of something
about dark being challenging... well in my opinion there are very FEW "dark" tracks which are worth listening to esp cuz some artists define "dark" by raising thier bpm`s to levels where u just cant listen to it... but then again there are hidden gems |
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full_on
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 17:41
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I like the music, its psychedelic aspect, but also other aspects such as production (quality), danceability, flow, etc...
Since this is a subjective matter, unlike you I find psychedelic music within all genres. Chill tunes can be very mind challenging, while progressive associates the danceable rhythms with some psychedelic elements.
I must admit that in general, the dark scene brings fresher stuff than the full on scene, but on the other side the production quality is much lower and there are also A LOT of mediocre tunes.
So there is an equilibrium between genres, and IMHO it is easier to enjoy most of the desired aspects if you are open to understand and accept each genre's positive aspects and negative sides.
Respect!
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Mad Purple State
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 18:02
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On 2007-12-17 17:27, goaren wrote:
im sorry if you dont find any releases challenging for your since 2004... but i can assure you challenging and psychedelic music was released all that time... and if you want a mindfucking track just go take a look at trolds` time of illusion cd... esp the teasers track and wait till the fucked up fx comes swirling allover, and its 10 times more powerful of you take a puff of something
about dark being challenging... well in my opinion there are very FEW "dark" tracks which are worth listening to esp cuz some artists define "dark" by raising thier bpm`s to levels where u just cant listen to it... but then again there are hidden gems
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Goaren... i think you misread his post... he meant that nothing between 2000 - 2004 was a release worth his time...
YET. That statement is absolutely rubbish... mindblowing music was released then and mindblowing music is released now... which i agree with goaren... there has always been superpower in our scene...
ofcourse journey man project... it didnt match your own intrests... but you write as if you´re blaming the scene for it. That is wrong... the scene always had super heavy weights destroying floors... droidsect... Grapes of Wrath... Xenomorph were all very present during those ages and they motherfuckin shook the globe when they took thier stand.
Unfortunately... you only take darkpsy´s stand for challenging music and I take all sorts of psy and tell you its as fuckin twisted as you want it to be...
Ananda Shake is as fucking twisted as Already Maged...
Thats the truth of it all... from the moment ive been in this scene... 10 years! Never a dull moment...
Our scene has wonderrrrfull dark acts as well as morning acts and powerful dawn acts... they are all equally challenging and blow me away with their powerful messages...
I dont care about BPM´s like Night Lovers care bout... I think by crossing 160 BPM ... artists are themselves ruining the niche market of 150-155 bpm´s they are creating... cause then they just showthemselves to be posers tryin to get attention...
These posts kinda get me annoyed... cause dark lovers try to send a message that they wanna seperate from everyone else and take the header ´psytrance´ with them and degrade everything else out there as for the newbies
Are´nt we all supposed to be one big party? Are´nt we all supposed to be ONE?
And to end it ... There is one and only one reason for me to be in this scene... to DANCE... to be challenged on the floor...
Dark challenges me in the head... but the morning causes the dust to riseeeee...
-Mad
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Pt.
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 18:45
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On 2007-12-17 12:52, The Journey Man Project wrote:
So let me ask a question...
it's better than any amusement park ride or drug I've ever taken...
Respect and apologies for all my past behaviours... Have a good Christmas, and be safe
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I enjoy taking psychedelic drugs going to amusement parks taking the roller coster ride While listening to psychedelic trance music. Now Thats a ride! 
All I have to say Journeyman is that it will and is returning.
And to answer your first question. It was my general love for music and drugs combined. The psychedelic world wowed me like no other experience had done earlier and the psychedelic tones made me feel whole, it was the missing pieces of sounds that had been missing in my search for My music.
Infected Mushroom + Magic Mushrooms .. no turning back after that.
It's deressing to see how popularity will take something pure and destroy it with mediocrity and generic paths of thinking. It's sad to face the truth that most dark I hear from labels today are general ideas of full-on placed inside a dark inviroment. 'But duuude, it got lot's of fx's so that means it's twisted and osychedelic duude' pfft.. Bring me intelligent presissions (create psychedelic athmospheres) with mysterius ambience, mind diving layers and well thought out fx's. Make me grind and feel goosbumps.
I just had a visit from a clever little girl friend of mine. She said it as simple as this. We need the dark chaotic trance music to show us life on the ground, Goa is for flying in the air - which is also badly needed.
.. It's the spirals of evolution.
Pure untouched Goa, more destinct psychedelic psytrance, watered out for the masses ears Full-on, I'm proud and will seperat my self from the kids trance Progressive, We are not kids, we make killar dark psytrance, Return of the pure.
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Ruberoid
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Posted : Dec 17, 2007 22:56
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That's not true, Artists became commercial, trance music is same
http://www.myspace.com/andreysp
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The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 03:41
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well I put this as my opening for a discussion, so those who tink I'm telling you that "Dark" Psy is the only challening music, I"m not, I"m saying for me it is, and that forme not much else recently has been...
and to the other person who said I blam the scene for the way things are... well yeah I do... and in saying that I blame myself as much, or maybe more, than the other psy joe reading this...
I just think that it has become silly to blame things on labels on artists when ultimately it is the punter who decides on what standard of music will be accepted... I'm sure if everybody cleard the dance floor when Astrix/Dali/Skazi payed then that music would die out quickly... but because everyone accepted that music, it became the new standard...
interesting comments here, please don;t become to aggro, it's an open discussion...
--- Love In Light, Dance In Darkness ---
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Freeflow
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Posted : Dec 18, 2007 04:15
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Darkpsy is a wide concept!
I start to think about Derango and how they juggle and play with sounds... like no one else!
Also some Finish stuff that makes you think the music going backwards and forwards at the sametime...
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