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dark psy/zenoneaque squelch help please :)
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Freqish
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Posted : May 21, 2013 12:15:09
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hey guys, just discovered this website while looking for tutorial on psy squelches. i am a noob at making music so would appreiate any help 
The squelch that i am after is used by one of my favourite artists HypoGeo.. Here is an example at 1:06-1:09
https://soundcloud.com/hypogeo/cosmic-sasquatch-sc-preview
I use ableton, and have sylenth, massive & vangaurd if that help.
i hope there isnt a post on this already, if there is can someone direct me in the right place
Hope you can help guys! Thanks in advance.
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Devius
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Posted : May 21, 2013 13:04
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i don't here any squelch there...just an fm lead, hope i'm hearing it alright, it's still morning.
try albino for that, i usually get those pretty good on the virus but albino does just as good job... try :
Osc1 square with -12 semitones, choose FM for this one -> Osc2 Saw with +24 semitones -> Highpass filter -> try playing on low octave
i think you should be pretty close with this ... you just need to get Albino. Saddly i can't help you with those instruments, sylenth has no FM, i don't think vanguard is that good on this type of sounds and i don't understand nearly anything about massive !
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Freqish
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Posted : May 21, 2013 13:24
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Thanks brother!! yes i do agree with you its a lead  that just shows how much of a rookie i am haha.. ill try get albino and give it a shot  thanks again man.
Just another question how would this sound be made at 1:31 (is this a squelch or a lead?) https://soundcloud.com/hypogeo/cosmic-sasquatch-sc-preview |
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Devius
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Posted : May 21, 2013 13:39
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i don't ear anything at 1:31 ...ahah. Except if you're talking about that reverse sound...that can be any type of reverb applied to a sound and then reversed + processed ... zenon artists and many other do many things to audio in ableton that i'm yet to find how to do in logic ... i'm a rookie myself man but still, producing is a great joy so all good 
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Freqish
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Posted : May 21, 2013 13:58
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Devius
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Posted : May 21, 2013 15:01
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ye that's a squelch...kinda harder to explain how to make it exactly the same cause of LFO speeds but you should try starting with : Osc1 Saw -> draw a long note on a low octave -> now assign 1 LFO to cutoff with low rate like 1/1 and another LFO to pitch, the ammount of pitch doesn't need to be all the way up. -> try a Bandpass filter -> that sound has a phaser and a reverb, that phaser is very similiar to the one on the Virus ...
When you got this setup try some more modulations, like taking another LFO to modulate the rate of the LFO assigned to cutoff and another LFO modulating the ammount of pitch of LFO2...
Hope this can get you started ! |
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Freqish
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Posted : May 21, 2013 15:18
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hahah wow seems so complicated. ill give it a shot tomorrow im off to bed. i got albino too now. thanks heaps for the help man really appreciate it! ill let you know how i go |
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Devius
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Posted : May 21, 2013 15:39
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it isn't just try it ! let me know how it goes tomorrow |
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The Bap
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Posted : May 21, 2013 16:06
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Freqish
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Posted : May 22, 2013 09:56
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@Devius bro i couldnt figure it out. for one what to i have albino set on to start with? and i dont there where FM is, and the semi tones only go down to 11. :/ haha
@the rap cheers bro wasnt really wuite was i was looking for but good to any anyway |
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Freqish
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Posted : May 22, 2013 10:01
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ok im a goose, i found the FM in the osc haha |
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Freqish
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Posted : May 22, 2013 10:16
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still cant quite get it |
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Devius
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Posted : May 22, 2013 15:57
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Sup man ! Ahah let's try it togheter !
To start go to "diverse sounds" and choose the "z_initial preset", this leaves you with an init patch so we can start.
Turn OSC1 On and select Analog, choose the waveform at the left (saw) and leave symmetry at the right (this should all be already by default). Put -1 on the OCT and turn on the FM (on the rectangle on the right of "Vol"). Now turn the Sub Osc on the OSC1 all the way up.
Now you should hear no sound, that's because OSC1 will modulate OSC2 frequency, and since OSC2 is not ON yet there's no sound.
Turn OSC2 On and select analog also, choose the waveform to the left again and put +2 on the OCT, here you select F1 on the rectangle.
Now below the OSC2 you have several envelopes, choose "A" on the left, that's your amplitude envelope. Set Attack to 0, Decay to 0, Sustain MAX, Release 0.
No go to Filter 1 and turn it on, choose HP24, put res to 50, or no res if you don't like, and you're gooooood to go ! You can also turn Sat up on the filter to beef it.
Now you can either modulate the Cutoff at the Mod Matrix by an LFO or you can write it by hand on your DAW, play some notes and mess with the cutoff and you'll see. It will work better with notes around C2.
You can also change the waveforms of the FM Osc or change the OSC2 waveforms to get different sounds, if you change the OCT that they are playing you will get different types of sounds.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : May 22, 2013 16:12
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don't know if you're still able to get Albino since it's no longer supported. But if you're going for FM there's plenty of options available: have you heard of Diversion synthesizer? It's very high quality and feature rich. Massive can't really handle true FM, there's a dedicated Oscillator for modulation and it can modulate the Phase - which can sound somewhat similar, but not quite the same.
About the sound design here, I think previous posts are spot on, would just add this: try and sync the two oscillators. If you do manage to get Albino, also take a look at the volume of both oscillators and tweak the spread knob. If you choose a wave anywhere between sawtooth and pulse, you can also modulate the symmetry value (PWM) and that adds something special to the timbre when combined with FM. |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : May 22, 2013 16:38
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Be sure to check your filter envelope amount knob to, and the filter envelope's settings - as it's turned to middle position by default. This kind of modulation is also useful in such patches, and you can try the inverted envelope to - going from high frequencies only to more meaty harmonics with a fair amount of attack on the envelope. Play or write some notes playing with note length.
If you couple this modulation with an LFO modulating the filter, things can get interesting. Be sure to check the "mono" button, this means just one LFO for all the notes, and be sure to leave "restart" off. Choose your modulation amount on the matrix, select some interesting wave shape for the LFO, sample and glide with slow rate is cool for example. This filter modulation combo is cool by itself, but since it introduces some "random" factor into the equation, you can assign your mod wheel to control the amount (depth) of this modulation if you want to.
This kind of lead works fine in mono, so reduce the voice count to one.
Experiment with having an envelope (could be the filter envelope or another one) modulating the pitch of one of the oscillators, and see what happens.
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